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Kathy B
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Ketchup. It does indeed go way back. The word comes from the Chinese Amoy dialect ke-tsiap and the stuff was originally more like soy sauce then tomato sauce. Ketchup wasn't jsut made from tomatoes--in fact, tomatoes are rather late comers. Old cookbooks have plenty of recipes for "mushroom ketchup" and "walnut ketchup."

One the medicine front, a rummage through Google turns up two things. One is that the earliest record of commercial tomato ketchup sales seems to be a farmer in upstate New York or in New England who sold the stuff in 1830. "Ketchup was sold nationwide in the US by 1837 thanks to the hard work of Jonas Yerkes, who sold the product in quart and pint bottles. He used the refuse of tomato canning-skins, cores, green tomatoes, and lots of sugar and vinegar." Source

This other thing I turned up was that there was a patent medicine called "Dr. Miles Compound Extract of Tomato." It was more or less ketchup. Dr. Miles' product is often said to have been sold in 1830 or the 1830s, but also just "19th Century." I'm not giving a source for this, because I can't find one with trustworthy scholarship--you can find it all over. I have doubts about the 1830. The 1830 may have gotten confused with that New York farmer.

Heinz started selling it in 1875.

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Playing cards were issued to British pilots in WWII. If captured, they could be soaked in water and unfolded to reveal a map for escape.

How does that work? British intelligence had to be pretty good to know exactly where their pilots would be taken if captured. And why weren't the pilots just briefed on this information so that the map not be found by the guards?

Beach...I'm sure somewhere this is Hollywood's fault...Life!

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Originally posted by Kel:
Just mailed to me. Here they are:

The Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper.

Most lipstick contains fish scales.

During the California gold rush of 1849, miners sent their laundry to Honolulu for washing and pressing. Due to the extremely high costs in
California during these boom years, it was deemed more feasible to send their shirts to Hawaii for servicing.

Three very old and very bad jokes.

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Leonardo Da Vinci invented scissors. It also took him 10 years to paint Mona Lisa's lips.
Maybe because he was using fish scales (actually, the entire painting was done in less than a year).

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The first product Motorola started to develop was a record player for automobiles. At that time, the most known player on the market was Victrola, so they called themselves Motorola.

Yeah, right - lame joke anyone?

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Celery has negative calories. It takes more calories to eat a piece of celery than the celery has in it to begin with.

In the case of a human (who can't utilize the mass because of a lack of the necessary enzymes), this may be true. For the same reason, a human can starve to death eating nothing but grass.

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Astronauts are not allowed to eat beans before they go into space because passing wind in a spacesuit damages them.

Not clear - does the wind damage the beans, the astronaut, or the spacesuit?
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quote:
Originally posted by mathemagician:
quote:
Originally posted by Kel:
[qb]Just mailed to me. Here they are:

The Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper.

Most lipstick contains fish scales.

During the California gold rush of 1849, miners sent their laundry to Honolulu for washing and pressing. Due to the extremely high costs in
California during these boom years, it was deemed more feasible to send their shirts to Hawaii for servicing.

Three very old and very bad jokes.

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Leonardo Da Vinci invented scissors. It also took him 10 years to paint Mona Lisa's lips.
Maybe because he was using fish scales (actually, the entire painting was done in less than a year).

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The first product Motorola started to develop was a record player for automobiles. At that time, the most known player on the market was Victrola, so they called themselves Motorola.

Yeah, right - lame joke anyone?

Well, according to theStraight Dope, the fish scales in lipstick is at least partly true.

As far as Motorola, according to their website, the first product offered was a battery eliminator that allowed early radios to run off house current instead of batteries. The Motorola name was intended to convey the idea of sound in motion when they began producing car radios, not phonographs.

However, it is explained in other historical accounts, that the original source of the name was Motor Victrola, but was still used for the original car radios, not phonographs.

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Psihala
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A female ferret will die if it goes into heat and cannot find a mate.

This one seems true... From the book "The Essential Ferret", by Betsy Sikora Siino (pp. 27-28):

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Pet ferrets must be neutered. Female ferrets (jills) will not come out of heat on their own. Prolonged heat will lead to serious medical problems and, eventually, death. Male ferrets (hobs) cycle into "rut", which, for our purposes, can be described as something like a female's heat cycle. When a hob is in rut, he is aggressive toward other male ferrets (not people), even males that have been neutered. Also, hobs in rut have a very strong, unpleasant odor, and they can undergo dramatic weight changes and suffer anxiety if they are not bred.

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quote:
Originally posted by mathemagician:
Not clear - does the wind damage the beans, the astronaut, or the spacesuit?

I imagine damaging the spacesuit would damage the astronaut.

As to the beans, by the time wind becomes an issue they have already been pretty thoroughly damaged.

But you're right - it's a bad, bad sentence.

Nonny

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Originally posted by put it in writing:
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If one places a tiny amount of liquor on a scorpion, it will instantly go mad and sting itself to death.

I have nothing to refute this with, I just find it so unlikely I had to comment on it. Anybody from one of the western states willing to give it a try?[/QB]
Ohh ohh ohh ohh, you reminded me of a webpage that a FOAF made awhile back, project MASKI (Make a Scorpion Kill Itself). There are pictures of the scorpion as it stung itself to death (though I think he had mixed results, and wasn't very scientific at all through the process).

Enjoy!

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quote:
Originally posted by cevik:
quote:
Originally posted by put it in writing:
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If one places a tiny amount of liquor on a scorpion, it will instantly go mad and sting itself to death.

I have nothing to refute this with, I just find it so unlikely I had to comment on it. Anybody from one of the western states willing to give it a try?

Ohh ohh ohh ohh, you reminded me of a webpage that a FOAF made awhile back, project MASKI (Make a Scorpion Kill Itself). There are pictures of the scorpion as it stung itself to death (though I think he had mixed results, and wasn't very scientific at all through the process).

Enjoy![/QB]

From the site:
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To make especially sure the horrible creature was dead I gave it a pap-smear, across the porch.
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On average, 12 newborns will be given to the wrong parents daily!
I'm really interested in this one.
I'd call that epidemic proportions. I think we'd notice.

I'm interested in this one as well, only because I recently found out that a friend of mine was, in fact, given to the wrong parents when they took her home from the hospital. The mistake was corrected, but for a few days, two families had the wrong babies.

That's what her parents told her, anyway. I can't vouch for their status as storytellers.

In any case, 12/day may or may not be of epidemic proportions; is that in the US? Worldwide? What are the standards for "wrong parents"? For how long is the child with the wrong parents?

I guess 12/day seems like a lot, but when you divide that among all the cities in all the countries in the world, it's not that outrageous. And if the mistake is corrected quickly, it wouldn't be more than local news, if that.

Of course, for that reason, I find it highly unlikely that the data exist to give this precise statistic. I find it much more likely that this number was pulled out of someone's, erm, ears.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kel:
Just mailed to me. Here they are:

Money isn't made out of paper. It's made out of cotton.

well money is made from Plastic here (in the land down under

Dav(take a note)ros

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UL?
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I'm interested in this one as well, only because I recently found out that a friend of mine was, in fact, given to the wrong parents when they took her home from the hospital. The mistake was corrected, but for a few days, two families had the wrong babies.

How did they know it was the wrong baby without DNA checks? Most physical atributes... hair, eye colour aren't set by the first few days. Even if they were that would be a poor indicator of heridity. Or was a more than double mistake made that both children left the hospital with the right "tags" but the wrong parents... That would mean no one at the hospital caught either mistake and neither did any family memeber until days later. Seems unlikely... I think I'd notice if my baby's band read 'Marsha Johnson: girl' if my kid was a 'Victoria Elizabeth: boy'.

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quote:
Originally posted by Davros:
quote:
Originally posted by Kel:


well money is made from Plastic here (in the land down under

Dav(take a note)ros

And metal in most places too of course
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TB Tabby
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quote:
Originally posted by Kel:

During the chariot scene in "Ben Hur", a small red car can be seen in the distance.


Isn't Ben Hur in black & white?

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Eddylizard
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quote:
Originally posted by TB Tabby:
quote:
Originally posted by Kel:

During the chariot scene in "Ben Hur", a small red car can be seen in the distance.


Isn't Ben Hur in black & white?
Nope Ben Hur is in Technicolor

http://imdb.com/title/tt0052618/

Having said that I've scoured the scene for the car and I'm damned if I can see it.

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Eddylizard
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There are no words in the dictionary that rhyme with orange, purple and silver.


According to my rhyming dictionary:

Orange : Binge, dinge, hinge, cringe, fringe, springe (a small snare), singe, tinge, whinge, swinge, twinge, unhinge, challenge, impinge, syringe, infringe, scavenge and lozenge.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eddylizard:
quote:
There are no words in the dictionary that rhyme with orange, purple and silver.


According to my rhyming dictionary:

Orange : Binge, dinge, hinge, cringe, fringe, springe (a small snare), singe, tinge, whinge, swinge, twinge, unhinge, challenge, impinge, syringe, infringe, scavenge and lozenge.

Those words all end in an "inge" sound. Orange ends in an "ornj" sound.

I guess it depends on your pronounciation of the word orange.

P.S. What is "whinge"? I thought it was a strange British spelling of "whine".

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quote:
Originally posted by Cervus nippon:
quote:
Originally posted by Eddylizard:
quote:
There are no words in the dictionary that rhyme with orange, purple and silver.


According to my rhyming dictionary:

Orange : Binge, dinge, hinge, cringe, fringe, springe (a small snare), singe, tinge, whinge, swinge, twinge, unhinge, challenge, impinge, syringe, infringe, scavenge and lozenge.

Those words all end in an "inge" sound. Orange ends in an "ornj" sound.

I guess it depends on your pronounciation of the word orange.

P.S. What is "whinge"? I thought it was a strange British spelling of "whine".

I believe it is, in fact, a strange British word for whine.

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NeeCD
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There was a thread about whinging a year ago (although I believe it turned into a general British English/American English thread after just a few posts).
Here is a cached page 1 of the thread.

As for orange, I could see it pronounced or-inge if it was absolutely necessary to rhyme it with those other words, but it's still a bit of a stretch, IMO.

We already know that "purple" rhymes with "nurple", of course [Razz] .

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quote:
Originally posted by NeeCD:
There was a thread about whinging a year ago (although I believe it turned into a general British English/American English thread after just a few posts).

Ahh, the memories... my first snopes semi-trainwreck. [lol]

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Well, by that standard, silver would rhyme with her, stir, cur, and dozens of other words. A more exact rhyme for orange would be door hinge, mentioned before, I think. As for silver, kill her pretty much rhymes, as does hill cur, Bill Burr (wonder if there's a real person with that name), will stir...

And purple rhymes with... um... I'll get back to you on that.

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KingDavid8
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quote:
Originally posted by NeeCD:

We already know that "purple" rhymes with "nurple", of course [Razz] .

It does rhyme with hirple, though it isn't in most dictionaries.

David

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KingDavid8
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Oh, yeah, I found a page on Wikipedia that lists English words that don't have rhymes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_without_rhymes

It lists:
Angst
Breadth
Bulb (except they do mention the word "culb" - a retort)
Depth
Film
Glimpsed
Gulf
Month (except they do mention "millionth", "billionth" and "n+1th" - pronounced "en plus oneth")
Mulcts
Pint
Ninth
Sculpts
Sixth
Twelfth (though depending on how you pronounce it, it could rhyme with "stealth")
Width
Wolf
Warmth
Angry
Monster
Chimney
Luggage
Orange
Pizza
Purple
Reptile
Rhythm
Silver

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NeeCD
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quote:
Originally posted by KingDavid8:
quote:
Originally posted by NeeCD:

We already know that "purple" rhymes with "nurple", of course [Razz] .

It does rhyme with hirple, though it isn't in most dictionaries.

David

It's in the OED, from what I understand, as is the word curple, which is a horse's rear end. [lol]

et delete a redundant non-rhyme - it's in the post above.

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Chocolate kills dogs. Chocolate affects a dog's heart and nervous system. A few ounces is enough to kill a small sized dog.
Chocolate is definitely bad for dogs. It CAN kill dogs, so the first part of this is true. But it depends on the kind of chocolate. Milk chocolate is not as bad as baking chocolate. At the vet I've seen lots of chocolate cases. I've seen a medium sized dog come in for eating an entire bag of hershey's kisses and just have an upset stomach (but then, so would I after an entire bag). Tylenol kills more dogs than chocolate (at least in my experience). So Tylenol and BAKING chocolate bad! Milk chocolate, not GOOD but not necessarily a death sentence either.
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And as far as the Ben Hur scene, movemistakes.com has this to say:

In the big chariot race scene, a red Austin Mini can be seen through the arcs in the back of the coliseum. [Famous urban myth, and just plain made up.]

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Originally posted by BeachLife:
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Playing cards were issued to British pilots in WWII. If captured, they could be soaked in water and unfolded to reveal a map for escape.

How does that work? British intelligence had to be pretty good to know exactly where their pilots would be taken if captured. And why weren't the pilots just briefed on this information so that the map not be found by the guards?

Beach...I'm sure somewhere this is Hollywood's fault...Life!

Why hide a map????. It's not like the Germans didn't know the layout of Germany. I know that pilots had a map printed on cloth, but this was more of a convenience that it wouldn't get damaged if wet or crumpled.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eddylizard:
quote:
Originally posted by TB Tabby:
quote:
Originally posted by Kel:

During the chariot scene in "Ben Hur", a small red car can be seen in the distance.


Isn't Ben Hur in black & white?
Nope Ben Hur is in Technicolor

http://imdb.com/title/tt0052618/

Having said that I've scoured the scene for the car and I'm damned if I can see it.

The 1925 version was in black and white though: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0016641/

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Money isn't made out of paper. It's made out of cotton.
Sort of. Although the exact composition of the paper used to print money is classified, it's known to be made out of a type of paper which contains cotton and linen for strength. Real "paper" money wouldn't be durable enough.

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The 57 on the Heinz ketchup bottle represents the number of varieties of pickle the company once had.
False

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The Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper.
No. The United States Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights were all printed on parchment, tanned hides of sheep or cows.

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A female ferret will die if it goes into heat and cannot find a mate.
True. A female ferret has a strong chance of dieing of anemia if she goes into heat and does not mate.

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The "spot" on the 7-Up comes from its inventor who had red eyes. He was an albino.
7-Up was invented in 1929 by Charles Leiper Grigg. who was not an albino.

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Well I just brought my newborne baby home last week and it is pretty hard to have a mistaken identity, at least in California. It is law that before the baby leaves the delivery room that baby and parents have ID bands placed on them. In fact the baby has two ID bands, one hospital band and a anti-theft device cover all four extremities. Now I could see the number of mistaken id going up if babies are born in low cost clinics or in states with little or no prevenative measures.

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When we had our first 2 years ago, I was initially reasurred with the "anti theft band" on Rehcsif Jr.'s leg. I was less impressed, when it was time for us to leave, when it was removed with a standard office scissors. Can anyone say "false sense of security"?

As for the ID bracelet, Jr's kept falling off his leg, so it could have been easilly removed, or worse, misplaced long enough for a mix-up to happen. But he was with us almost constantly (other than the circumcision, I believe at least one of us was with him the whole stay) and you quickly learn which one is 'yours'...

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In Gulliver's Travels, Jonathan Swift described the two moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos, giving their exact size and speeds of rotation. He did this more than 100 years before either moon was discovered.

can anyone debunk or clarify this one for me? interested me.
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In Gulliver's Travels, Jonathan Swift described the two moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos, giving their exact size and speeds of rotation. He did this more than 100 years before either moon was discovered.

can anyone debunk or clarify this one for me? interested me.
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This Load-stone is under the Care of certain Astronomers, who from Time to Time give it such Positions as the Monarch directs. They spend the greatest Part of their Lives in observing the celestial Bodies, which they do by the Assistance of Glasses, far excelling ours in Goodness. For, although their largest Telescopes do not exceed three Feet, they magnify much more than those of a Hundred with us, and shew the Stars with greater Clearness. This Advantage hath enabled them to extend their Discoveries much farther than our Astronomers in Europe. They have made a Catalogue of ten Thousand fixed Stars, whereas the largest of ours do not contain above one third Part of that Number. They have likewise discovered two lesser Stars, or Satellites, which revolve about Mars; whereof the innermost is distant from the Center of the primary Planet exactly three of his Diameters, and the outermost five; the former revolves in the space of ten Hours, and the latter in Twenty-one and an Half; so that the Squares of their periodical Times, are very near in the same Proportion with the Cubes of their Distance from the Center of Mars; which evidently shews them to be governed by the same Law of Gravitation, that influences the other heavenly Bodies.

Etext avaliable here as one long text file, from Project Gutenberg.

Gulliver's Travels was pulished in 1726. Phobos and Deimos were discovered in 1877.

Phobos has an orbital period between 7 and 8 hours, and Deimos a little over 30 hours; however, their distance to Mars is closer than Swift envisioned.

I just noticed that the Wikipedia article for Phobos mentions the coincidence.

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Originally posted by BeachLife:
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Playing cards were issued to British pilots in WWII. If captured, they could be soaked in water and unfolded to reveal a map for escape.
How does that work? British intelligence had to be pretty good to know exactly where their pilots would be taken if captured. And why weren't the pilots just briefed on this information so that the map not be found by the guards?

Beach...I'm sure somewhere this is Hollywood's fault...Life!

Why hide a map????. It's not like the Germans didn't know the layout of Germany. I know that pilots had a map printed on cloth, but this was more of a convenience that it wouldn't get damaged if wet or crumpled.
The OP's claim is a bit off -- surprisingly, the cards were actually sent to American not British servicemen.

From United States Playing Cards Company history (manufacturer of Aviator, Bee, Bicycle, Hoyle, and Maverick playing cards):

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During World War II, the company secretly worked with the U. S. government in fabricating special decks to send as gifts for American prisoners of war in German camps. When these cards were moistened, they peeled apart to reveal sections of a map indicating precise escape routes.
The card pieces formed a mosiac map of Germany (from US Library of Congress Preservation information, playing card map information about 3/4 the way down the page).

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315 entries in Webster's 1996 dictionary were misspelled.
But Webster's is practically the official book of the English language. Wouldn't that mean that YOU were spelling them incorrectly?

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315 entries in Webster's 1996 dictionary were misspelled.
But Webster's is practically the official book of the English language. Wouldn't that mean that YOU were spelling them incorrectly?

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