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Purple Iguana
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I thought... didn't Mythbusters challenge this myth? I forget the outcome, but I'm thinking it came up confirmed or at least plausible. Apologies if I'm remembering wrong. Anyway, growing up in tornado alley, my dad would holler at me like crazy if I even thought about taking a shower on a gloomy cloudy day.

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My ex and I lost a couple of modems and a couple of answering machines to lightning-related power spikes during the late 1980's and early 1990's.

As a child, my mom once touched a light switch at the same time a lightning-related power surge occurred. She felt a huge jolt and her tongue swelled up.

Ever seen/heard a transformer get hit by lightning? Very dramatic. I love storms, though.

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My parents never let us shower, bathe or anything else when it's storming, so I have carried it over to my kids. I think the old adage "better safe than sorry" works here.
I always unplug my laptop if it even looks like a storm. Everything else (computer wise) is on surge protectors. Now I am wondering if that is good enough?
vfw *I love a good storm too* chick

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Discovery Health ran a special a couple of years ago about a girl who had been struck by lightning on 3 different occasions. She was really tall, but all three times, she was doing things in which her height would not have been factored in. I think the first time she was laying on the ground trying to grab something under her house, the second time she was indoors doing laundry and had touched the metal washing maching, and I don't remember the third time but it was something equally bizarre.

As for telephones and showers... I experienced a telephone line being hit by lightning first hand. When I was 9, I was talking on the phone in the middle of a heavy rainstorm. I didn't hear any thunder outside so not only did I think it was safe, but so did my parents who were home (they were all over the "no phone or bath during a storm" rule). Out of nowhere, I heard this eardrum-shattering clapping sound inside the phone, but I couldn't seem to let the phone go and it took a lot of effort to get it away from my ear. Aside from being very frazzled for a while after that, I was fine.

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Signora Del Drago
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Purple Iguana, I certainly hope it came up plausible. If not, that boy died because of a "myth."

Lainie, I haven't seen a transformer hit by lightning, but one behind our house blew one night. That was bad enough for me!

vfwchick, whether or not your surge protector is enough depends on the type. Some surge protectors only protect against routine surges, but you can get them that also protect against lightning. I don't have one of those but am considering getting one. Guess I need to either look on-line or call the local supply store to see if they have any.

Edited because I misspoke. So, what else is new? [lol]

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Apparently the mythbusters confirmed this. Here is a link to the unofficial guide for this episode.
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In my house the earth wires are all linked to the piping for the downstairs toilet.

Makes me wonder if something high voltage shorts and you're having a wee at the time...

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quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago:
Lainie, I haven't seen a transformer hit by lightning, but one behind our house blew one night. That was bad enough for me!

Purple flames shot out of it. Luckily nothing else caught fire (of course, everything was soaking wet).

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I've lost a modem to a lightning spike before. Ever since, I've always unplugged my computer's strip when it storms...
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A brief rundown of the Mythbusters tests:

Taking a shower: Confirmed
Using the telephone: Plausible
Watching TV: Busted
Using a computer: Busted

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OK, after reading all these "don'ts" regarding lightning storms, does that leave anthing left that one can do during one? All I can think of is read and sleep.

- Pseudo "storm of boredom" Croat

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quote:
Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat:
OK, after reading all these "don'ts" regarding lightning storms, does that leave anthing left that one can do during one? All I can think of is read and sleep.

- Pseudo "storm of boredom" Croat

[Confused] Did you miss TB Tabby's post?

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quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
quote:
Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat:
OK, after reading all these "don'ts" regarding lightning storms, does that leave anthing left that one can do during one? All I can think of is read and sleep.

- Pseudo "storm of boredom" Croat

[Confused] Did you miss TB Tabby's post?
Yes, I did. I'm still very nervous about using plugged-in electronics in a storm, though.

- Pseudo_Croat

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quote:
Originally posted by Troberg:
Logging off will not make any difference, the lightning does not care about details such as the state of a bunch of transistors. If you want to protect your equipment, disconnect (not just switching off) it, both from the phone jack and from the power outlets.

Duh, this is what I meant. *smacks self on head* Sorry for the brain fart...

Oh, and Pseudo? I can think of one more thing to add to the list of things to do... [Wink]

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Signora, I just connected your fear of lightning and your location. That must suck! You get a lot of thunderstorms in OK, don't you?

I'm one of those people who goes to the room with the most windows, or onto the covered porch, and watches the storm. If I know there are going to be storms after I go to bed, I'll open my blinds. As long as I'm safely inside, I love storms.

Storms while I'm driving or out walking are another matter entirely. Eek.

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Signora Del Drago
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Lainie, we get way too many T-storms to suit me! My husband is like you, though. He loves storms. I used to have to beg him to close the door, instead of standing there watching the lightning. When he finally realized how much it was frightening me, he stopped doing it so much.

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Everything else (computer wise) is on surge protectors. Now I am wondering if that is good enough?
Good enough to take spikes, but a direct hit will most likely blast them to bits.

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quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago:
Purple Iguana, I certainly hope it came up plausible. If not, that boy died because of a "myth."

Oh, I certainly meant no offense... it's just I was remembering when Mythbusters tested the "peeing on the third rail" and they determined that by the time the pee hits the rail, it has become droplets which an electric current cannot travel up... so I wasn't sure if the same logic followed showering during a lightning storm.

When I can't remember something exactly (which is more often than not), I tend to speak in a non-committal manner, rather than to say definitely "this was the result" and have it pointed out later that I was wrong.

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quote:
Originally posted by Zorro:
quote:
Originally posted by Troberg:
Logging off will not make any difference, the lightning does not care about details such as the state of a bunch of transistors. If you want to protect your equipment, disconnect (not just switching off) it, both from the phone jack and from the power outlets.

Duh, this is what I meant. *smacks self on head* Sorry for the brain fart...

Oh, and Pseudo? I can think of one more thing to add to the list of things to do... [Wink]

I thought of the same thing, which made me laugh even harder at Pseudo's comment, "I'm still very nervous about using plugged-in electronics in a storm, though." [lol]

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If it's a really good storm I usually go to the door or the yard and watch the lightning [Embarrassed]

Then I get tired of standing and go watch TV; good thing that, at least, is safe.

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quote:
Originally posted by Zorro:
quote:
Originally posted by Stoneage Dinosaur:
I haven't been able to find any cases of people being killed by lightning whilst showering, but there is a snopes page on lightning killing people talking on the telephone.

Along similar lines (no pun intended), once, before hubby and I lived togetehr, when he still had dial-up, he was online during a thunder and lightning storm. He went to the bathroom and came back to find that lightning had travelled through the phone lines and completely fried his modem! :eek: So we make it a habit to log off, even though we have DSL now, every time there's thunder and lightning.
When I worked in tech support, we always ordered a batch of modems after a big storm. Within a week they were all gone. Two particular areas around here were very prone to lightning. One was a hill area which did not surprise us, but the other was a long low valley where a dozen or more people could lose their modems in the same storm. We think it was caused by the lightning hitting the lines in the hills and travelling down.
Surge protecters aren't much good unless they also protect against the phone line, and most of them don't. We stopped selling surge protectors because they were so unreliable around here. Better they go and yell at the hardware shop staff rather than us.

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quote:
Originally posted by Purple Iguana:
quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago:
Purple Iguana, I certainly hope it came up plausible. If not, that boy died because of a "myth."

Oh, I certainly meant no offense... it's just I was remembering when Mythbusters tested the "peeing on the third rail" and they determined that by the time the pee hits the rail, it has become droplets which an electric current cannot travel up... so I wasn't sure if the same logic followed showering during a lightning storm.

When I can't remember something exactly (which is more often than not), I tend to speak in a non-committal manner, rather than to say definitely "this was the result" and have it pointed out later that I was wrong.

I didn't realize that sounded snarky when I posted it, but it does. Sorry, Purple Iguana. What you said, "I thought... didn't Mythbusters challenge this myth? I forget the outcome, but I'm thinking it came up confirmed or at least plausible. . ." was in no way offensive. Somehow what I said looked different to me when I first posted it. What I meant was that you had to be right because there was no way it wasn't true, but something was lost between the thought and the typing. [Frown]

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Signora... I think I was erring on the side of caution. On a couple other threads, I seem to have tripped people's snark button, so I think I might be a little sensitive to any possible stepping on toes, ya know? As long as you and I are on the same page, I'm cool with that. [Smile]

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Ok, while I appreciate the Red Cross trying to inform people, I think this is a little misleading:

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Every thunderstorm produces lightning, which can strike as far as 10 miles away from any rainfall.

Um...no. Thunderstorms to do not produce lightning. Lightning produces thunder. That's how we get it. So a lightning storm may produce thunder, but you can't have thunder by itself.

Edited because I meant 'no', not 'now'. [Roll Eyes]

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Two members of my family have been struck by lightning, and both incidents took place indoors.

Several years ago my dad was enveloped by ball lightning while pouring coffee from a plugged-in electric percolator. I don't know if this is relevant, but the building he was in was a hand-built, rustic cabin on some rural land of his, and the wiring may have been a bit dodgy. Dad remained conscious throughout the incident, and as soon as it was over he drove himself home (30 miles)! My mother took him to the ER, but the only problems they could find were a minor burn on his foot and coffee burns on his hands and arms.

Around 1930, my mother's father was struck by lightning while talking on the telephone. Family legend has it that my mother was in his arms, but she was thrown across the room by the jolt and was relatively unhurt. I don't what effects my grandfather might have felt, but he did live to tell the tale.

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Several years ago my dad was enveloped by ball lightning while pouring coffee from a plugged-in electric percolator.
Of course, American coffee is way to weak to protect you against lightning. Try some real, Swedish coffee, it will send the lightning whimpering in the other direction... [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by ali_marea:
Ok, while I appreciate the Red Cross trying to inform people, I think this is a little misleading:

quote:
Every thunderstorm produces lightning, which can strike as far as 10 miles away from any rainfall.

Um...no. Thunderstorms to do not produce lightning. Lightning produces thunder. That's how we get it. So a lightning storm may produce thunder, but you can't have thunder by itself.


Edited because I meant 'no', not 'now'. [Roll Eyes]

Thunderstorm is the "official" (US government at least) term for a storm that produces lightning, thunder, etc. I remember there was a question related to this on the FAA instrument pilot written exam.

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Miraculous escape as lightning hits girl in bed

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A schoolgirl girl [sic] was lucky to be alive after a freak lightning bolt tore through the roof of her home - and struck her metal bed.


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Lightning Strike Database

One person struck by touching dryer, a few talking on the phone, one on the computer, one working on pipes (through the pipes, but outdoors), one praying in the kitchen via the kitchen pipes, at least four while showering (one with a news blurb).

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quote:
Originally posted by ali_marea:
Ok, while I appreciate the Red Cross trying to inform people, I think this is a little misleading:

quote:
Every thunderstorm produces lightning, which can strike as far as 10 miles away from any rainfall.

Um...no. Thunderstorms to do not produce lightning. Lightning produces thunder. That's how we get it. So a lightning storm may produce thunder, but you can't have thunder by itself.
That's not how I was reading it. I read it as the storm creates lightning, not the thunder.

And the storm would be behind the lightning, of course.

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You are right, Canuckistan. But it is a tautology to say that "every thunderstorm produces lightning". A thunderstorm is, after all, a storm that produces lightning!
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Or else it would just be a storm... right, Ganz?

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Right, Ganz.

From dictionary.com:
thun·der·storm n. A transient, sometimes violent storm of thunder and lightning, often accompanied by rain and sometimes hail.

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No entry found for lightning storm.
Did you mean turn a nice dime?



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Of course I work in a radio station which is in a mettal building, we have all kinds of electronic and computer equipment, and we whear headphones plugged in to an audio control board taht has computers, cd players etc hooked to it. Nice to know I work in a death trap

Seriously though. I've had many arguments with my wife about how she thinks leaving the computer on will make it more likley to be struck by lightning. A point which I've brought up on other threads. Her thinking is if the computer gets struck while it's turned on then it must have been struck because it was turned on. Kind of like saying if your running the dish washer and it starts raining then the dish washer must have made it start raining. A point which seems to go right over her head.

We don't do anything that requires water or phone use during a storm. We are on the computers tracking the storm. and where is my computer located. Right by the front window and the front door and our bed is located right next to two windows. One at my side and one at the head board. Talk about hopeing for good luck.

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It is common practice for the ground of a house's electrical system to be tied to the water main. In other words, if you have an electrical short in any 3-prong device, the dangerous current flow has a path to ground, through a wire attached to the incoming water pipe. A lightning strike in the vicinity of a house can elevate the "potential" of the ground, because of the thousands of amps flowing through the lightning strike. With the elevated ground voltage, you can have enough potential difference between two feet, or a hand and foot, to create a deadly current through the heart.

Ever see an electrical substation? Ever wonder why they are always covered in rock? It is to increase the contact resistance between one's foot and the ground. An electrical fault in a substation can have the same effect - thousands of amps flowing to ground elevate the voltage at that point. The voltage falls off with distance from the point of flow into the ground, however, there will still be a voltage gradient perpendicular to any line from the centre of this point. If your feet are sufficiently far apart, the voltage difference between your feet will be enough to cause a deadly current to flow.

This is why it is advisable to keep your feet together if you are in an area which is likely to be struck by lightning.

Lightning and lightning protection is one of the subsets of electrical engineering - in particular high-voltage and power engineering. I have a pretty good grip on this. Leaving a device *on* does make it more likely to be damaged, simply because the there will be a path for damaging current to flow. Except that most devices these days use solid-state switches which will turn on in the presence of a high voltage fault, so it really doesn't matter, as long as the device is plugged in.

After my uncle's brand-new Zenith TV (circa 1980) turned "on" permanently as a result of a lightning strike on the power system, for many years after this we unplugged expensive electronic devices (i.e. tv, stereo) when a storm was likely.

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