quote:Originally posted by Little Pink Pill: I would have thought Yahoo would already have been shutting down sights called "8-12 yo girls for older men," etc. Why did the Attorney General even have to step in?
Obviously Yahoo! knew that would only leave about 15 people interested in talking in their chat rooms!
Yahoo! chat is kind of like hockey in that respect. Every now and then a conversation breaks out.
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quote:Originally posted by Little Pink Pill: I would have thought Yahoo would already have been shutting down sights called "8-12 yo girls for older men," etc. Why did the Attorney General even have to step in?
Obviously Yahoo! knew that would only leave about 15 people interested in talking in their chat rooms!
Yahoo! chat is kind of like hockey in that respect. Every now and then a conversation breaks out.
I'm confused. Are you saying that out of the thousands of people who participate in yahoo chats, only 15 of them are not interested in pedophelia? This was the title to a consistently operating sight, not a single outbreak conversation.
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Hang on... I've looked at theses chat rooms and before they went there were such things as 'user rooms' which had some of the most digusting themes I've ever seen - most were of that type of nature too.
I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner to be honest. I even saw regular 'pre teen' chatrooms but they muddled the letters about a bit.
I didn't go in them but was just looking and I was wholely shocked - and believe me - it takes a hell of a lot to shock me!
It was about time Yahoo got a grip of it.
But at the end of the day the sexy chat will just happen in the other rooms, it'll just be shifted elsewhere.
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As A regular user (daily) of Yahoo Chat all I can say is good !!! No more kids , No More Pedo.s Posts: 1932 | From: Toronto | Registered: Oct 2001
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quote: As A regular user (daily) of Yahoo Chat all I can say is good !!! No more kids , No More Pedo.s
I am with you kita on no more pedos and no kids, but there are still a bunch of problems in yahoo chat. First, their total wiping of user chats is kinda crappy. I will take no more user chats over user chats with deviants and molesters, but couldn't they just get a bunch of moderators? I was a big fan of user rooms, you could make a more specific topic to talk about.
That brings me to the second problem, all the people from those sick chats are now roaming around with those of us who don't belong in jail for being pervs. You would think with all the money Yahoo makes, it can't hire a handful of tech people to look around yahoo chats, boot sickos and report them to the police.
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They'll all eventually find their way to the game rooms and prowl the games that attract the young'uns. To paraphrase Jeff Goldblume's character in Jurassic Park, "The sexually obsessed will always find a way"
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quote:Originally posted by RelicMan: Moderators cost money, LOTS of money, when you have fifty billion chats to monitor.
Yahoo, at least in the game chat rooms, has done absolutely NOTHING to stop all the abuse that goes on in there.
To be fair, I haven't seen any pedo activity.
However, there's so much hate speech, overt racism, people advertising porn sites, people just trying to be as annoying as possible by scrolling the screen, etc., etc. And that's on top of all the cheating that goes on in the games. I've played hearts for about 4 years there, and it's always been like that.
At the very least, you'd think they wouldn't want people spamming the chat rooms with unpaid ads, since they do sell 'real' ads that go at the top of the screen. You'd think their advertisers would demand this. But they don't seem to care. All it would take is a "report this" button and if they got enough complaints for a single account, a human could actually review it (they wouldn't even have to review every single 'report', just log them and check them out if many reports came in).
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I'm usually on yahoo chat in the Pregnancy rooms and freaks come in there all the time and talk about SICK shit! It pisses me off when yahoo does nothing about these people. It's not just vulgar language but one or two mentioned raping babies. I DO NOT PLAY that shit when it comes to my baby!! Also people under 18 can just make a new name and put their age to whatever and it works. Way to go yahoo for doing absolutley NOTHING as said earlier
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Hmm, I've never really had any problems with Yahoo Chat, but I usually only go into the official Mac users, or Linux user's rooms. Although, one time me and a friend of mine did an experiment and made up a female screenname (sexyteen69_420 or something like that) and went into a "romance" chatroom just to mess around with all of the pervs in there LOL
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I've never used Yahoo chat, but the one time I tried playing online Scrabble, I was propositioned by someone claiming to be a 15 y.o. girl. I hadn't realized pedo's were big word game fans. "She" didn't even stick around to see my awesome opening bingo. Wait, that sounds kinda dirty... ETRemove: reference to deleted posts
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The cheating alone on Yahoo games is enough to drive a sane man crazy. (Not that I'm sane... ) I'm a good Literati player, but you'll have people come up with so many obscure words that you know they cheat.
The chat rooms are pure garbage, especially with the bots.
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quote:Originally posted by Brad from Georgia: What about those that promote sex between minor leaguers?
"Honestly, babe, my batting average is nearly .189"
"Sorry, I don't date anyone below the Mendoza Line".
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quote:Originally posted by Casey, soaring on warm breezes: The cheating alone on Yahoo games is enough to drive a sane man crazy. (Not that I'm sane... ) I'm a good Literati player, but you'll have people come up with so many obscure words that you know they cheat.
And why would you do that? It's not like there's some prize or something for winning.
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I've never been in a chat room, but I used to try to carry on a typersation on the Yahoo message boards for news articles. The filth and perversion there was horrible, so I can't imagine what those chat rooms are like. I don't do that any more. True, there's some NFBSK stuff here, but you usually are warned, and I've yet to see anything here nearly as bad.
If a person tried to sign in with another name, wouldn't it be apparent that the IP address was the same?
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quote:Originally posted by Casey, soaring on warm breezes: The cheating alone on Yahoo games is enough to drive a sane man crazy. (Not that I'm sane... ) I'm a good Literati player, but you'll have people come up with so many obscure words that you know they cheat.
And why would you do that? It's not like there's some prize or something for winning.
Beats me. I mean, I'm a good player and I know some darn obscure words. Ixias, for example. Don't know what it means, but I know it's a word. Some of these folks, though... the words they come up with! I had one match where a new player (ranked 1500, the opening level. I'm fuzz under 1700, a pretty good player) laid down five seven-letter words in a row, and none of them were words I knew. That's something weird going on.
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quote:Originally posted by DemonWolf: Hasn't Yahoo already promised to clean up before? Is there a reason to beleive that they will actually follow through this time?
What could they do, I wonder? And what level of responsibility do we hold them to? If they're going to have a chat service at all, people are going to abuse it. Not that I don't think they should at least make an effort, but can we really expect them to monitor the millions af lines of chat going through there every minute? If they say to the public that they've cleaned up, aren't they opening themselves to a level of liability when something gets through?
Also, as repugnant as I personally find chat about pedophilia and all the other twisted leanings, is it actually illegal to chat online about it (not actually spreading child pornography)? I think Yahoo ought to make an effort to clean up this stuff in order to deter these types of sickos, and make a better effort to restrict kids from adult themed rooms, but I'm not sure about writing laws and such about it. Ultimately, Mom and Dad, it's YOUR responsibility to make sure your kids are safe from this type of thing. Directing all your anger at Yahoo doesn't cover all of the culpable parties.
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quote:Originally posted by DemonWolf: Hasn't Yahoo already promised to clean up before? Is there a reason to beleive that they will actually follow through this time?
What could they do, I wonder? And what level of responsibility do we hold them to? If they're going to have a chat service at all, people are going to abuse it. Not that I don't think they should at least make an effort, but can we really expect them to monitor the millions af lines of chat going through there every minute? If they say to the public that they've cleaned up, aren't they opening themselves to a level of liability when something gets through?
Also, as repugnant as I personally find chat about pedophilia and all the other twisted leanings, is it actually illegal to chat online about it (not actually spreading child pornography)? I think Yahoo ought to make an effort to clean up this stuff in order to deter these types of sickos, and make a better effort to restrict kids from adult themed rooms, but I'm not sure about writing laws and such about it. Ultimately, Mom and Dad, it's YOUR responsibility to make sure your kids are safe from this type of thing. Directing all your anger at Yahoo doesn't cover all of the culpable parties.
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Free speech does not cover obscenity as defined by the Miller Test
In any case, Yahoo is a private business who is free to decide the content of their webpage.
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That's kind of what I was getting at, which is why I deliberately tried to avoid using the First Amendment defense. I agree with the idea that Yahoo can post any sort of legal content they wish, I simply take issue with people who rail against the company for not protecting their children for them. If advertisers don't like the content, Yahoo will change their tune (and their content) in a hurry. And if parents don't like what's going on, they'll make it so their kids don't go to the site. Once membership drops, the advertisers will take notice. It's "voting with your feet" at it's best.
All that said, I personally think they ought to self-police as much as they feasibly can.
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quote:Originally posted by Casey, soaring on warm breezes: [QUOTE]Beats me. I mean, I'm a good player and I know some darn obscure words. Ixias, for example. Don't know what it means, but I know it's a word. Some of these folks, though... the words they come up with! I had one match where a new player (ranked 1500, the opening level. I'm fuzz under 1700, a pretty good player) laid down five seven-letter words in a row, and none of them were words I knew. That's something weird going on.
Ixia is the genus of the iris family. Can it be plural, since there is only one genus?
Why would it be weird that a person would know five seven-letter words that you don't know? Perhaps you also know five seven-letter words that he wouldn't know. Or perhaps this person played a lot of Scrabble® before coming in as a new player of Literati®. I don't understand why you would automatically assume cheating.
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True, except for one problem- the speed with which they play. Nobody can work that fast without cheating, and I've watched a few Scrabble tournaments.
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It would appear that if they had a large vocabulary and that their particular talent lay in word usage, they could play using their own intellect much faster than they could cheat.
I've also watched Scrabble® tournaments, and they seem to move more slowly than a game between my daughter and me.
[HIJACK]By the way, she once made 212 or 213 points on one word. I can't remember for sure since it's been about 15 years ago. It was "sequined". Started in the upper right corner of the board, hit 2 triple-word scores, 50 points for using all 7 tiles, etc. It had a blank in it, but I think the D hit a double-letter score. She moved to Georgia 10 years ago, and I haven't played Scrabble® since. When we are visiting each other, there's always so much more to do than that. When she lived here, we'd get together for several days at a time and would sometimes sit up until 3:00-4:00, playing game after game. My granddaughter learned to count, somewhat, listening to us, only it was wrong. "1,2,4,7,11,33" Anyway, does anyone know of a higher one-word score?[/HIJACK]
Maybe if it were a game involving mathematics the person(s) you think are cheating wouldn't fare so well.
I'd still like to know if Ixia can be plural. Thanks.
ETA: Whoops! Never mind. Ixia can, indeed, be plural. I was in my usual state of confusion.
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quote:Originally posted by Amigone201:
quote:Originally posted by Casey, soaring on warm breezes: The cheating alone on Yahoo games is enough to drive a sane man crazy. (Not that I'm sane... ) I'm a good Literati player, but you'll have people come up with so many obscure words that you know they cheat.
And why would you do that? It's not like there's some prize or something for winning.
Beats me. I mean, I'm a good player and I know some darn obscure words. Ixias, for example. Don't know what it means, but I know it's a word. Some of these folks, though... the words they come up with! I had one match where a new player (ranked 1500, the opening level. I'm fuzz under 1700, a pretty good player) laid down five seven-letter words in a row, and none of them were words I knew. That's something weird going on.
Maybe that was me!!! I made a Dictionary search program that searches the dictionary to find words based on what letters you have. I tried it out on unsuspecting Scrabble players at IYT because I wanted to test my program in a real-life environment.
I just played a handful of games because I was more interested in testing my program than playing the game.
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yahoo can't logistcally prevent all inappropriate content in their chat rooms. They can do more to restrict and lessen it. But they won't until there is direct proof that this is causing a major decrease in their profits. And even then it will be a bare minimum effort. Just to show the public "Yahoo does care".
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Yahoo has already proven it prefers quantity over quality; and they're a business, so why not?
It really annoys me, however, how they claim ignorance over the things people are doing with their services; ie. chat and email.
The Chat overhaul they are suggesting is a great idea; and shows they are doing 'something' about it; but everyone who's used Yahoo KNOWS that teenagers/kids are gonna lie, and go into the adult chat rooms, and the pedo's are gonna go into the teens chats etc...
So, to me, this chat thing doesn't really *do* much.
I say that Yahoo doesn't care what people do with their service, due to the mass of scammers/spammers using their free email service in order to spam/scam as many people as they possibly can.
I'm not saying that Yahoo should police every single email account.... I'm just saying it wouldn't be that hard to flag email accounts that are sending ( for example) 200 or more emails per day!
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I remember back when you had to pay hourly fees for the various online services. AOL used to charge either $8/hour week days daytime and $4/hour for off peak (or you could go a straight $6/hour all the time.) Back then you could have a reasonable discussion since not many parents would pay that kind of money to have their kids mess around.
AOL used to pay people (well give them free hours etc.) to host chat rooms and monitor the message boards. I used to go around to various forums and message boards and had an enjoyable time. I ended up working in the PC Games forum on AOL for several years and we used to have a nightly chat about computer games that was almost always a good discussion. Well then came the day when AOL went to unlimited access for $19/month and all that went to hell in one day. Next thing I know we start getting these age/sex checks and everything else in the world. (Honestly out of the hundreds of chat rooms I had been in up unti that day I had never seen that) We had to start booting people from the room or muting them. (They could still see what they typed but no one else could and they would wonder why they were being ignored.)I quit awhile after that as it just wasn't fun anymore, nor worth it. Used to not be a bad deal having a free account when it costs $8 or $4/hour but definitely wasn't worth the amount of work I had to do for $19/month savings.
I tried going into a chat room once after that day and there was a suprising amount of "teenage" girls that suddenly wanted to chat privately with me. I was sure they were as much a teenage girl as I was.
Thus marked the end of the golden age of the internet.
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It seems to me that closing the user-created rooms does not actually solve the problem.
With the user-created rooms, a pedophile creates a room called "Hot 4 12-yr-olds," which very few actual 12 year olds would enter. Another pedophile goes in and pretends to be a kid, and voila, everyone is happy.
Now, the pedophile goes into a regional or hobby room and chats up a real kid instead.
I'm not sure that's a solution that works in practice.
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Aol gives you money off for taking surveys you qualify for. Opinion Place...3.00$ is better than nothing
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quote:Originally posted by Casey, soaring on warm breezes: The cheating alone on Yahoo games is enough to drive a sane man crazy. (Not that I'm sane... ) I'm a good Literati player, but you'll have people come up with so many obscure words that you know they cheat.
And why would you do that? It's not like there's some prize or something for winning.
Good question. Some people's minds apparently work different than other's. I used to volunteer for quite a while as a "Mediator" on Brettspielwelt. Despite the name suggesting that I was responsible for mediating arguments and stuff (which was the original idea) it was more of a "police force" checking on cheats. Those included playing games against themselves for hours, intercepting and changing the data traffic between the BSW's main server and your client and more. The price to be won? Well, some virtual "Talers" which don't even buy you that much over there, some virtual "medals", some places in one ranking or the other. Not as bad as at yahoo, but still bad. I just guess those people do not have a real life and hope to get respect from others if they are higher in some rankings. Beats me.
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I had one match where a new player (ranked 1500, the opening level. I'm fuzz under 1700, a pretty good player) laid down five seven-letter words in a row, and none of them were words I knew. That's something weird going on.
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