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It wasn't sure where to post such a topic, but I guess it's not for kids, so I threw it out over here.

Legends regarding LSD that I have heard:

1. Taking LSD will alter your genes, chromosomes or DNA.

2. Taking LSD willingly 7 times qualifies you as "legally insane".

3. Someone (or many people) took or have taken LSD, thought they could fly, then jumped out of a window.

4. Strychnine is commonly found in LSD.

5. LSD can only be detected in drug tests by examining fluid present at the base of one's spine.


Most of this stuff I remember hearing long ago in high school.

#1: Sounds like a scare tactic since the offspring of numerous experiementers has not resulted in fleets of mutants.

#2: Not sure about this legend, whether this is true or refers to some jurisdictional ruling.

#3: We've all heard it and if I remember correctly, this was one of the theories surrounding Art Linkletter's daughter's death, but any documentation on this ever happening?.

#4: Always heard that undesirable by-products of the "trip", such as cramping or teeth grinding, were the direct result of the presence of strychnine in the dosage.

#5: I have no idea about this although I have never seen a slot on a NIDA drug test that specifically looks for the presence of LSD.

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I've heard the UL about someone who took LSD and then had a conversation with the sun, blinding themselves.


I've also heard(I don't know if it's true or not) that if you get busted with more then a certain amount of LSD that you can be charged with Conspiracy against the Goverment.

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Okay, this is somewhat FOAF, but my ex boyfriend was arrested and tested for drugs, and at the time he was on both LSD and Ecstasy. He tested positive in a urine test for the methamphetamine component of the Ecstasy pill he had taken, but there was no mention of the LSD. The explanation (I don't know if he just knew this or the cops told him) was that LSD can only be detected by "spinal tap" or spinal fluid extraction.

I'm going to google this for more verifiable info.

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This Wikipedia entry and this Good Drugs Guide FAQ both indicate that LSD has a very short life in the body and its concentration is so small that it is hard to test for. The "spinal tap" aspect appears to be myth.

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Here is the snopes article about Myth #2...

http://www.snopes.com/legal/lsdcrazy.asp

And here is another snopes article, this one related to #3...

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/drugs/linkletter.asp

#4...

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/mayhem/payphone2.asp

And according to this article, #1 seems partially true (skip to the conclusion).

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Very true that LSD has an extremely short span of being detectable in the body. I can tell you from experience in the lab that yes, LSD is tested for via blood or urine, just like most other drugs. At one time, drug tested was far more complicated and meant sending specimens to a lab with special equipment. That has changed dramatically with new tests that offer a panel of drugs in a short turn around time. Some of the results are generic - i.e. identifies the presence of barbituates, but not the specific drug. The panel I've most commonly seen tested for is:

1. barbituates - i.e. opium, morphine, codeine
2. benzodiazepines - i.e. Valium, Diazepam
3. cocaine
4. THC(marijuana)
5. LSD
6. PCP
7. amphetamine - i.e. methamphetamine (crack), MDMA (ecstasy), ephedrine
8. tricyclic antidepressants - i.e. amitriptyline, doxepin, imipramine

The test I've used most often gives a positive/negative result for these in about 15 minutes.

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Comment: I hear frequently from my friends that after a person has done
acid, it remains in their spinal fluid. I have heard two variations on
the next point: (1) Every time a former acid user pops his or her back, a
small amount of acid is re-released into that person's blood stream,
getting them on a small "trip," and (2) when doctors perform a spinal tap
procedure on a former acid user, they will be able to identify acid in the
spinal fluid, even up to 100(!) years later. Medically, I find these
claims difficult, if not impossible, to believe.

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What I heard (and it was from "House", so don't quote me) was that drug traces only last 24 hours or so at the most in spinal fluid.

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quote:
Originally posted by medtchva:

1. barbituates - i.e. opium, morphine, codeine
2. benzodiazepines - i.e. Valium, Diazepam
3. cocaine
4. THC(marijuana)
5. LSD
6. PCP
7. amphetamine - i.e. methamphetamine (crack), MDMA (ecstasy), ephedrine
8. tricyclic antidepressants - i.e. amitriptyline, doxepin, imipramine

Opium, morphine, and codeine are not barbituates. And ephedrine is not an amphetimine, although it is used as an ingredient in the making of crystal meth. Also, crack is freebase cocaine, Not meth.
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I doubt that any amount of popping can release any ANYTHING into the bloodstream.

And I recall an old UL that a kid tripping on LSD ate his own fingers off, thinking that there was frosting on them. Personally, I doubt it.

I also heard through the grapevine that acid only stays in the spinal fluid for up to 72 hours... and after that, it is gone forever... although I have also heard that there are traces that are bonded into your hair, and hair folicle testing will reveal LSD use.

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quote:
Originally posted by Malruhn:
I doubt that any amount of popping can release any ANYTHING into the bloodstream.

And I recall an old UL that a kid tripping on LSD ate his own fingers off, thinking that there was frosting on them. Personally, I doubt it.

I also heard through the grapevine that acid only stays in the spinal fluid for up to 72 hours... and after that, it is gone forever... although I have also heard that there are traces that are bonded into your hair, and hair folicle testing will reveal LSD use.

Well, I guess I can stop trying to crack my back now.
A friend and I once did almost an entire sheet (100 hits) of yellow blotter over the course of a single Spring Break. We gave away about 20 hits, the rest we took ourselves.
After the first 4 or 5 hits, we didn't really get noticeably higher, but the trip sure lasted longer than our normal 2-3 hit trip.

It's been over 10 years since I dosed. I enjoyed it, but it's a bit frightening to me now.

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A co-workers brother his pretty messed up after dropping a lot of LSD. Not all at once but doing it for long periods of time with no breaks of normal in between. I've met said brother and for the most part he's pretty normal but I've witnessed him do some odd things. Staring at the wall for extended periods of time, constantly mumbling to himself. Those symtoms don't necessarily mean that he's insane from LSD, (I myself have stared at a wall and mumbled to myself) But from what co-worker has told me, that was the root cause of it.

My $.02 on the tripping subject is that if you are going to do it, stick with shrooms.

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quote:
Originally posted by MapMaker:
A co-workers brother his pretty messed up after dropping a lot of LSD. Not all at once but doing it for long periods of time with no breaks of normal in between. I've met said brother and for the most part he's pretty normal but I've witnessed him do some odd things. Staring at the wall for extended periods of time, constantly mumbling to himself. Those symtoms don't necessarily mean that he's insane from LSD, (I myself have stared at a wall and mumbled to myself) But from what co-worker has told me, that was the root cause of it.

My $.02 on the tripping subject is that if you are going to do it, stick with shrooms.

I have heard this type of thing a lot about various people, but I think that there is simply a correlation between LSD use and later insanity or odd behavior. Although I am not expert enough in brain chemistry or psychology to rule out LSD use as a catalyst for mental illness, it seems more likely that the mental illness lead to heavy drug use and then became acute rather than that a perfectly healthy person took too much LSD and went insane.

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From my forensic medicine course I can tell you that hair folicle testing can be used to detect certain drugs (including LSD) but only for a limited amount of time.

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As for #3, I'm pretty sure it's true. One of the columnists in the Minneapolis StarTribune prints a story every year about how his son took LSD in college, thought he could fly and jumped out of the dorm window and died. Or something of the sort. Anyway, it's not something I think he would lie about.

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Dear friends: On Friday it will be 15 years since my son Joe died in a seven-story fall from his college dorm room in Madison, Wis. He had taken LSD; he was 18. After all this time, it is no less awful a loss.

This is from the Oct. 11, 2004 StarTribune. The columnist's name is Al Sicherman. This doesn't say he jumped, so it might have just been that he was disoriented, but it seems to add some credence to people jumping off buildings while on LSD.

ETA: My point.

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quote:
Originally posted by ladyknight:
Dear friends: On Friday it will be 15 years since my son Joe died in a seven-story fall from his college dorm room in Madison, Wis. He had taken LSD; he was 18. After all this time, it is no less awful a loss.

This is from the Oct. 11, 2004 StarTribune. The columnist's name is Al Sicherman.

I found this site that has the original 1989 essay plus some additional commentary written in 1999:
quote:
Of course I would have. It makes no difference what drug it was. Joe took something that seriously impaired his judgment, and in an instant it cost him -- and his friends, and his family -- more than he ever could have imagined.

Alcohol accounts for far more such tragedies than does LSD, and if I were writing this column now I would not make it so focused on the specific drug that was the agent of Joe's death. It isn't about LSD; it's about how a simple bad choice can have a horrible outcome -- an outcome whose terrible permanence most people, by the grace of God, cannot fully comprehend.
{ snip }
Although Joe apparently was with friends most of the evening, the police said he was alone when he went out the window. We'll probably never know exactly what happened in those last minutes, but judging by our own reading of him and by what lots of others have told us, we're sure he wasn't despondent. Many of his friends, including one who spoke at his funeral, said that he was very happy and enjoying his life in Madison.

The likeliest explanation we've heard is that he had the hallucination that makes a person think he can fly. In any case, a little after 1 o'clock Sunday morning, Oct. 15, somebody studying across the courtyard saw a curtain open and then a body fall. Joe didn't cry out.

I also found this earlier discussion on item 2.
I can't speak for anyone else but I took LSD twice back in '79 and at no time did I think I could fly. In fact, at no time did I have any irrational thoughts that I could do anything impossible. The only feeling I did have was one of extreme giddiness.
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I've heard the popping knuckles=release of LSD one before. The guy claimed that the acid stays in your nervous system forever.

If you take a large enough quantity of LSD I don't think you would be able to move to get to a window. From what I know (and I won't say how I know) anything more than about 6 times the "typical" dose will put you into a deep internal fantasy that really doesn't involve a whole lot of getting up and walking around. Lower doses, or when it's wearing off, will certainly include more movement.

Here's one I've heard- Denver, CO is the acid capital of the world.

And as for #3, I have no doubt that has happened. In fact, I'm sure it happens quite a lot, though LSD doesn't need to be involved. Intoxicate the right person and he'll jump out a window, it depends more on the person than the drug/drink. I knew someone in college that used to get drunk, go up on the roof and threaten to kill himself a lot. I also knew someone who used to think it was cool to use his climbing equipment to scale school buildings under the influence.

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I'm sure that in the decades in which LSD has been in use and among the millions of people who have used it, at least one has jumped from a high place to his doom, whether or not it was because he thought he could fly. But does that mean it's not a legend or a story used to scare people out of using the drug?

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Here's one I've heard- Denver, CO is the acid capital of the world.
I allways knew there was a reason that it was known as the "mile high" state.. [fish]

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Slightly OT, (but still related), could anyone tell me what kinds of things people hallucinate when they are feverish or severely dehydrated? Are they any different than LSD-induced hallucinations?

- Pseudo_Croat

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quote:
Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat:
Slightly OT, (but still related), could anyone tell me what kinds of things people hallucinate when they are feverish or severely dehydrated? Are they any different than LSD-induced hallucinations?

- Pseudo_Croat

Um, I've had two incidences of hallucinations in my life, no LSD hallucinations, though.

The first time, I was 15. I had just had jaw surgery, so it may have been the pain meds that caused me to hallucinate. I was slightly dehydrated because I didn't want the liquid food my parents were offering, and I couldn't eat other food. I was spitting up blood. Anyway, my friend Jer had promised to visit me while I was recovering from my surgery, and I clearly remember him coming into my room, sitting on the bed next to me, and talking to me. He vanished when my mom came in the room, and she assures me he was never there.

The second time, I was 19 and had lithium poisoning. My parents brought me to their house and nursed me on the couch from Friday night until Monday morning, when they finally realized they could do nothing for me, and I was, in fact, dying of dehydration. I would throw up anything, liquid or solid, and I was constantly hallucinating. The two I remember most vividly are the Dragonball Z hallucination (where I saw characters from a television show I'd only seen once in my life dancing and fighting in the air above my head) and the Subway Sandwhich hallucination. On the third day, I was so hungry, but still couldn't keep anything down, and I thought about Subway subs much of the time. I could taste the bread and meat, the crisp lettuce, the olives, and the mayo. I could feel the texture of the food in my mouth. The only thing missing was the satisfaction of a full stomach. [Frown]

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A DARE cop once told my class the LSD stays in the fat system forever. Or was it acid? I don't know.
I don't really have any experience with drug as I've never done any. Why? Blue Boy, that's all I have to say. 10 pts and a rum ball for the reference.

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quote:
Originally posted by JmD:
quote:
Originally posted by medtchva:

1. barbituates - i.e. opium, morphine, codeine
2. benzodiazepines - i.e. Valium, Diazepam
3. cocaine
4. THC(marijuana)
5. LSD
6. PCP
7. amphetamine - i.e. methamphetamine (crack), MDMA (ecstasy), ephedrine
8. tricyclic antidepressants - i.e. amitriptyline, doxepin, imipramine

Opium, morphine, and codeine are not barbituates. And ephedrine is not an amphetimine, although it is used as an ingredient in the making of crystal meth. Also, crack is freebase cocaine, Not meth.
Sorry for the mistakes. But when looking at drug testing.... "Ephedrine alkaloids are amphetamine-like compounds used in OTC and prescription drugs with potentially lethal stimulant effects on the central nervous system and heart." It will show up as a positive for amphetamine. I should have included opiates as a separate class - it's been a while since I ran one of these tests. My bad!
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quote:
Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat:
Slightly OT, (but still related), could anyone tell me what kinds of things people hallucinate when they are feverish or severely dehydrated? Are they any different than LSD-induced hallucinations?

- Pseudo_Croat

Read some of the survivor stories from the USS Indianapolis about dehyrdration hallucinations. A series of miscommunications by the Navy led to this ship being sunk by a torpedo and the survivors left for 4 days in the water because no one knew the ship was missing. Dehydration from lack of fresh water or drinking salt water....

"Day 3
The sun finally did rise and it got warmed up again. Some of the guys been drinkin salt water by now, and they were goin bezerk. They'd tell you big stories about the Indianapolis is not sunk, its' just right there under the surface. I was just down there and had a drink of water out of the drinkin fountain and the Geedunk is still open. The geedunk bein the commissary where you buy ice cream, cigarettes, candy, what have you, "it's still open" they'd tell ya. "Come on we'll go get a drink of water", and then 3 or 4 guys would believe this story and go with them."

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I've only taken LSD twice so by all definitions I am sane. As a matter of fact, I am more sane than most aliens from the planet Xontar who consume prodigious amounts of LSD while contemplating their inevitable overthrow of this planet and I am the only one who knows about them because I've seen 'em!

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I had a teacher in highschool who worked very hard to keep his personal philosophy to himself. He wanted us to think for ourselves, not think what he thought.

Except when someone mentioned LSD. He told us he had had a brilliant student in the 1970s. She was top in her class and a joy to teach. Sometime during her senior year she tried LSD. Maybe it had something else in it, or maybe she had a really bad trip, but he said she was never the same. Her future changed, and not for the better, because of that one choice. 10-15 years later he was still angry about it.

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quote:
Originally posted by vampyrviolia:
A DARE cop once told my class the LSD stays in the fat system forever. Or was it acid? I don't know.
I don't really have any experience with drug as I've never done any. Why? Blue Boy, that's all I have to say. 10 pts and a rum ball for the reference.

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Was your teacher in Switzerland too? I was suprised to find that in Europe there is a much harder stance against LSD. Even in Amsterdam when talking to locals about it, they would all say how dangerous and scary LSD was and how you can't find it anywhere in Europe. Here in the US it's more of a casual weekend drug like pot, ecstacy and mushrooms.

As for the unfortunate student, some people are just more affected by certain chemicals than others. Just as I knew people in college who would go to work every day high and be able to function just fine, whereas some people can barely pick up the bong after 1 hit.

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Die Capacitrix
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I live in Switzerland now, but I grew up in the greater Seattle area. My teacher was (is?) also a native Washingtonian.

Reading a bit about LSD, it seems that the dosages in the 60s and 70s were much higher than the current dosages use for recreational use.
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In the late 1990s, LSD obtained during drug law enforcement operations in the United States has usually ranged between 20 and 80 micrograms per dose. During the 1960s, dosages were commonly 300 micrograms or more.
Wikipedia

Most of the people I know are quite casual about tobacco, alcohol and marijuana usage. But many of the people I know are concerned about taking too many drugs, and that's just for normal sickness. Being out of control is normally reserved for the Swiss version of Mardi Gras.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat:
Slightly OT, (but still related), could anyone tell me what kinds of things people hallucinate when they are feverish or severely dehydrated? Are they any different than LSD-induced hallucinations?

- Pseudo_Croat

well, about 8 years or so ago (i think i was 10 or 11 or something, young anyway), i went skiing with my family, and it was really hard for some reason, i kept falling down and i didnt feel good and then later that night i woke up with a horrible fever. it was 105, but thankfully my aunt is a nurse so she pretty much knew what to do. anyway, they were using one of those little 3 or 5 minute hourglasses to measure the time the thermometer was in me, and its really hard to explane, but i just remember laying there and looking up at this huge hourglass spinning around above me. it was just a much larger version of the one they were using but it was super wierd because their little hourglass was wooden and had a little boy on one end and a little girl on the other, so as i was looking up at this massive hourglass, there were these two little kids spinning it around and talking about me (haha). it was beyond weird. but eventually during the night my fever lowered so they didnt take me to the hospital.

the really weird part is that still to this day, i get this weird feeling, the same one i had when i was looking at the hourglass (this is really really hard to explane and no one gets it, but oh well...). when the hourglass was spinning, it would spin really fast, and then slow down and turn direction and spin really fast the other way, and now i sometimes get this "feeling" that things (cars, people, music, talking, pretty much anything) are moving too fast. it use to happen more when i was younger, i dont get it much anymore, but its just the strangest feeling. a few months ago i had it really bad all day, it felt like everything i was doing was too fast, the music was too fast, the game i was playing was going to fast, my mother was talking to me too fast. its just weird and i know it doesnt make any sense, but oh well. i just know that when i saw the spinning hourglass, i just "felt" like it was moving too fast and ever since then i get that feeling. weird. anyway, enough of my confusing ramblings.

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I know exactly what you mean, Sophia, I had the exact same feeling when I had chicken pox. I think I was 13-14. I remember my mom trying to talk to me and I couldn't understand her because she was talking so fast.

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I know exactly what you mean, Sophia. I had the same feeling when I was tripping on acid in '79.

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quote:
Originally posted by Die Capacitrix:
I had a teacher in highschool who worked very hard to keep his personal philosophy to himself. He wanted us to think for ourselves, not think what he thought.

Except when someone mentioned LSD. He told us he had had a brilliant student in the 1970s. She was top in her class and a joy to teach. Sometime during her senior year she tried LSD. Maybe it had something else in it, or maybe she had a really bad trip, but he said she was never the same. Her future changed, and not for the better, because of that one choice. 10-15 years later he was still angry about it.

Maybe I'm going to bring a stereotype or two on myself by saying this, but that sounds a lot like what happened to Pink Floyd founder Syd Barrett. [Frown]
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The Blue Boy reference was to an old ep of Dragnet where Joe and Bill arrest a hippy kid called Blue Boy who is like the big time local LSD Guru. AS they spend time trying to get a law to bust him under (LSD was new and no laws aginst making and selling it were on the books) he ends up ODing on it, saying he wanted to get further and further out.
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