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The sport of cow-tipping has been debunked as an urban, or perhaps rural, myth by scientists at a Canadian university.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1858246,00.html

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Hi All:

Those people at UBC obviously have too much time on their hands. [Big Grin]

I have always loved the notion of "cow tipping." I can just picture it in my imagination. It's a dark, still night. There's no wind to russle the leaves. No sound at all can be heard across hill and dale. Not a solitary bleat or peep. Total peace and tranquility.

All of a sudden:

{sound of someone running nearer}
Uggggh!
Moooooo!
Thud!
Hee hee hee hee!
{sound of someone running away}

Mother always said that I had a warped sense of humour [lol]

Ta ra 'wan,

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Of course! That's how you stump-train 'em (to insure promptness)...

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The other side of the Cow Tipping Story.

http://www.curvyourdog.com/032700-4.htm

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I was talking to someone about this the other day and he said he and his mates used to do this when drunk (although there was usually more than 5 of them).

Also there was a letter to the Times yesterday stating that the best way to tip a cow requires three people - one person shoves the cow from one side, and as it is reacting against this, the other two give it a good push from the opposite side - works every time apparantly.

ETA: various correspondence from the times

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quote:
Originally posted by Stoneage Dinosaur:
Also there was a letter to the Times yesterday stating that the best way to tip a cow requires three people - one person shoves the cow from one side, and as it is reacting against this, the other two give it a good push from the opposite side - works every time apparantly.

Let's go try. You be the first guy - we'll try not to tip the cow on to you. [Wink]

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I know a couple of people who claim to have done it as well, but I know it's not true. What do you say in these circumstances? "HaHAA! You, sir, are a LIAR?"

I suspect the reply would be [fish]

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I can't really see how the original story debunks the myth, though, since it says that potentially two people could tip over a cow if it doesn't resist, or five people if the cow is resisting...
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Cows are alert, wary and aggressive - especially in darkness - i'd pay good money to watch any idiots who think they can tip a cow over, seriously - £50 each - there are laods of herds around where I live i'd even take you to a likely spot where the local farmer won't see you to blast your arse full of shot! [lol]

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I agree with Jay Tea. I grew up 'round cattle, and you do *not* sneak up on 'em. They sleep lightly, and, in any herd, there will be one or two awake at any time.

These are prey animals, evolved over a VERY long time to be wary of exactly this sort of behavior from small hairy guys with lots of sharp teeth.

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According to the report fatal injuries in farming in Britain 2004/5

Three people were killed by farm animals. One was struck and trampled on by two bulls, another was knocked to the ground by a cow and the other person was trampled over by a herd of cattle.

ETA: More examples of the dangers of cows:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/4091126.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cumbria/3042655.stm

It seems that cows can be very aggressive when protecting their young, as are most animals.

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When visiting a very rural area as a teenager I went, to watch only, with some guys intent on tipping cows.

I ended up sitting on a wooden fence laughing as they chased some very annoyed cows, who just mooed and trotted away whenever the guys got near.

Also, one guy slipped in a cow pie and fell [lol]

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Hey, I used to engage in cow-tipping all the time. Sure it was dangerous, but it really annoyed the cow.

But enough about my ex ... [fish]

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quote:
Originally posted by Ieuan ab Arthur:
Hi All:

Those people at UBC obviously have too much time on their hands. [Big Grin]

I have always loved the notion of "cow tipping." I can just picture it in my imagination. It's a dark, still night. There's no wind to russle the leaves. No sound at all can be heard across hill and dale. Not a solitary bleat or peep. Total peace and tranquility.

All of a sudden:

{sound of someone running nearer}
Uggggh!
Moooooo!
Thud!
Hee hee hee hee!
{sound of someone running away}

Mother always said that I had a warped sense of humour [lol]

Ta ra 'wan,

Ieuan "But I can still tip sheep, can't I?" ab Arthur

We have cattle, and when ever I think of this statement, I still laugh.
If I find anyone that thinks they can cow tip, I usually tell them to come on over, and after they tip a cow, we can go snipe hunting.. [lol]

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I can say that as a young lad of 14 or so, that I went cow tipping in rural Northern Wisconsin. The guys I went with did so on a quasi-regular basis. The day after I hurt like hell (ever tackle a NFBSKing wall?).

Then the next week I ran into the daughter of the cows' owner. She was quite upset about the unknown jerks that had hurt their cows, and that they almost had to put one down because of the damage.

I never went back again.

So, I know first hand - or shoulder rather - that it happens, or at least happened some thirty years ago... and in Northern Wisconsin.

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The students at the University of British Columbia made a fatal error in their assumptions.
They assume a perfectly rigid cow instead of a flexible cow who's center of mass would be shifted when force was applied.

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So the deal here is that cows can be knocked off their feet with enough element of surprise by enough people with enough brute strength. And cows and/or people can get hurt. Not exactly my idea of tipping. Sounds more like tackling.

Does cow tackling sound like as much fun?

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I think it sounds like more fun! [Big Grin]

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I think this is starting to sound a bit like bull fighting...

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Cows aggressive? I think they're cute and cuddly. Well, cute anyway. I love going for country walks and often tramp through fields of cows.

I remember once walking through a field with about fifty calves (about a year old). As I walked I heard the patter of tiny hooves behind me. I turned round and there were all fifty calves following me. As I turned they all stopped.

I walked on. They followed. I stopped and turned. They stopped. It was like a child's game.

when I eventually reached the end of the field I climbed over the stile and there were all fifty calves trying to climb over. I began stroking their noses as the ones closest to me gave my lovely sloppy cow licks!

Magic.

I hope cow tipping is a myth. How anyone could do something awful to the gentlest creatures I know is beyond me.

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If a cow senses a threat, either through it's own senses and via a herd, it will act aggressively to any unknown quantity as a natural response. My mate fell off his bike cycling through a dairy pasture once and was almost trampled, but that was down to his violent demise - you can safely stroll through British dairy herds without too much fuss, they are used to humans, but ever tried it at night? I once got caught in a bull's field taking a stoned short-cut through a field - I leapt out of the bull's field into the cows and only my rugby skills averted a pasting as I had to dodge two or three unhappy milkers [lol]

On a sadder note, I once saw a dog trampled to death in a beef herd - the dog spooked the animals as there were calves in the field...

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Having seen an enraged cow there is no way I would piss one off in an attempt to tip it over.

Some years ago I was walking by the river with my children and our dalmation pup. We stopped by a field, bounded only by some rickety metal fencing, to admire some big black and white fresian cows with their claves. The farmer arrived and we watched with interest as shooed all the cows out of the field except one mother and calf. He then proceeded to load the calf into a trailer at which the cow became very agitated and started bellowing like mad. After he drove off she careered round the field making the most awful noise until she stopped in her tracks having spotted our black and white spotted dog sitting quietly on the path beside us. I froze in terror (I'm very scared of cows) as she hurtled towards us...I had no faith that the flimsy railings would hold. Our poor little dog was so terrified he froze too...in his sitting up position until she was really close whereupon he just keeled over and passed out. I've never seen a dog faint before or since. We had to carry him home and ever after he jammed on his brakes if tried to walk that way. She was absolutely enraged and I don't doubt if we hadn't gathered up our dog and scarpered she would have trampled us.

I really don't like the thought of a bunch of drunks trying to tip over a cow for fun...if any try and get a good hoofing it's no more than they deserve.

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I had no faith that the flimsy railings would hold. Our poor little dog was so terrified he froze too...in his sitting up position until she was really close whereupon he just keeled over and passed out. I've never seen a dog faint before or since.
I know I shouldn't have done - but that made me laugh my ass off! [lol] Glad to hear you and dawg both survived this bovine ordeal [Wink]

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Have to say, once I got us to safety, I laughed my ass off too.
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quote:
Originally posted by Andrew of Ware, England:


I hope cow tipping is a myth. How anyone could do something awful to the gentlest creatures I know is beyond me.

What, almost as bad as breaking their legs, keeping them in cages in the dark, stringing them up, cutting their necks and letting them bleed to death?

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I grew up out west (US), heard FOAF stories of the great fun of cow-tipping, but never believed it could be done or that it was really much fun. Always equated it to snipe hunting.

RE: Agressive bovine behavior. As a young man (10-11) my father and I helped a friend on his ranch in the spring. He had a herd with quite a number of new calves and needed to take inventory. Each of the cows had a tag in their ear with a number on it. We drove around his fields looking for calves with no tags in their ears. When we spotted an untagged calf, we'd jump from the truck and the adults would wrestle the calf to the ground. My job was to pull the tag with the number that matched the calf's mother on it from a box and apply it to the calf's ear. When I asked how I would know which cow was the mother, they just laughed and assured me I'd know. As soon as they tackled the first calf, a cow bellowed and charged. I turned tail and ran as fast as I could from the half a ton of angry mother cow. I looked back when I heard laughter from my father and the rancher and saw the cow stop a few feet short and just stand and stare. I looked at the tag in her ear (large enough to be read from several feet away) and applied the matching tag to the calf. The mystery of how to know which cow was the mother was solved. What was my point? Oh yeah, cows can act agressively when protecting their calves, but these particular cows weren't brave enough to actually do damage other than scaring the NFBSK out of me the first time. I was no longer afraid of cows after that day. Bulls? Be afraid, be very afraid.

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Has anyone seen the trailer for the movie Barnyard?

In the trailer, the cows get sick of getting tipped and fight back (they break into a kid's room and push him out of bed).

But these cows have udders- and MALE voices!

That right there guarantees themovie will be crap- just like nearly any other computer animated movie that isn't made by Pixar.

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You know, with all the low-light-functional cameras today, one would think that *someone* would take a video of their cow tipping adventure and post it online.

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I live in a fairly rural area, and I also heard plenty of "cow-tipping" stories when I was growing up. My father grew up on a dairy farm, and he would swear up and down that cow-tipping was a myth. Well, he didn't say it was impossible, just that it would be extremely difficult to tip a cow, since the cow would certainly react. His response was always, "If someone tried to tip you over, would you just sit there and let them do it?"

But of course, we kids knew better. Our friend's friend's step-sister's cousin's nephew tipped cows all the time.

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I actually went on a cow tipping expedition with my then SO and her brother back in rural Rhode Island. After practising by tipping an excessive quantity of beer, said brother (who was a self-proclaimed "expert") took a run at a very large cow. The result was him sitting in a pile of manure with a very confused and slightly pissed off (but definitely still firmly on 4 legs) cow staring down at him like he was an idiot.
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quote:
Originally posted by charlie23:
I actually went on a cow tipping expedition with my then SO and her brother back in rural Rhode Island. After practising by tipping an excessive quantity of beer, said brother (who was a self-proclaimed "expert") took a run at a very large cow. The result was him sitting in a pile of manure with a very confused and slightly pissed off (but definitely still firmly on 4 legs) cow staring down at him like he was an idiot.
Spewing cold beer out of your nose hurts.

What did you say to him..YOMANPP(ants)? [Big Grin]

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My best friend in high school claims to have gone cow-tipping a few times. Of course, he's also a compulsive liar, so I take that with a whole shaker-full of salt.

But I, too, don't get how the article is supposed to disprove the notion. Whenever I hear a good cow-tipping story, it usually involves seven or more large guys. If "two people could tip a cow if they do it quickly", then seven ought to be able to do easily. I have yet to see compelling evidence that this is a myth.... but I would still like to see proof.

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quote:
Originally posted by 1958Fury:
. . . I have yet to see compelling evidence that this is a myth.... but I would still like to see proof.

But how do you prove a negative? It is just barely within the envelope of physical possibility that someone has actually done this. One can dream up a combination of circumstances -- lone cow in a pasture, eight football linebackers, hut one, hut two, everyone hits the cow at the same moment...

It's like "proving" that UFOs aren't spacecraft from other solar systems: how?

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What did you say to him..YOMANPP(ants)?
I don't actually remember, but after we got done laughing I'm sure our opinions pretty much mirrored the cow's.
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The physics of cow tipping are pretty simple. A mass (the heavier, the better), hitting an unsuspecting possibly moveable force, will take it down.

What the lighter folks did was take a 90-degree angle run towards the hind-quarters, blasting said sleeping bovine in the hip with a shoulder. The impact (if done with enough force), would force the cow off balance (zzz *snort* huh? WHA?!?!) and the ass end would fall over, followed by the rest of the cow.

The bigger guys would aim for either center mass or the front shoulder, which would be supported better.

You can only get one mass-tip per herd, as the bellows, lows and moos created by the assault awakens the whole herd and then they are on their guard... so you get half a dozen drunken kids out there, coordinate targets (it would suck for two kids to slam into both sides of the same target!), and send a signal to *ATTACK*!!! Then everybody laughs and runs off to find the car before the owner comes out with the shotgun loaded with rock-salt - or a .22!

Sometimes I wonder how in God's name I survived my childhood...

Charlie23, thanks for the support. I KNEW I couldn't be the only reformed tipper here! [lol] Now, how the hell did you end up in Bulgaria from Rhode Island? [Smile]

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

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