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Seaboe Muffinchucker
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Green Power claims to be able to convert organic trash into diesel fuel in about three minutes.
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The process, as explained by Spitzauer and inventor Christian Koch of Germany, starts with organic waste — such as paper, plastic and textiles, but not glass or metal. The waste was dried, ground up and mixed with waste oil, lime and what Koch described as aluminum silicate, the catalyst at the heart of this process.

The mixture was then poured into a hopper, with what they say is diesel fuel coming out of a spigot. (Although the small demonstration unit required waste oil as part of the feedstock, Spitzauer and Koch said, the production unit would be much larger and would generate its own oil.)

Sure smells like a scam to me.

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Uncle Rico
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I'm not sure about this particular situation, but bio-diesel fuel (made from vegetable oil) is in use today and seems to me to have some promise, both in terms of reducing reliance on petroleum-based diesel fuel AND significantly reducing dangerous emissions. The idea of diesel fuel based on non-petroleum fuel has been around as long as the diesel engine (I believe Rudolf Diesel actually demonstrated the diesel engine using a peanut oil-based fuel).

Perhaps this is a related technology? Or maybe a scam.

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Seaboe Muffinchucker
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Uncle Rico, you noted they claim this process only takes three minutes?

I know bio-diesel exists and works; the scam sound aspect is the speed. Well, that and the fact this guy has been convicted of fraud before.

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This part of the story is what does it for me:

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CEO Michael Spitzauer said, "Someone had to have gone through a great deal of trouble to dig up this information on me. The only people that had anything to gain from exposing this was oil companies. Once Green Power’s technology is implemented nationwide, this country's need for foreign oil will be reduced or eliminated."
That's right in line with the "excess baggage" guideline in Don Lancaster's rules for how to bash pseudoscience.

Edit add: That and the fact that this guy fell for a Nigerian scam...

Bob "BoKu" K.

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If you go to the website for the company, you will discover it is related to this thread from last September.

The site, with its badly fractured English, appears to be a copy of the original site. Since Alphakat claims they are the only holders of the patents, it makes you wonder what the US group is up to.

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Seaboe Muffinchucker
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The Patent holder on that site you linked, Mad Bunnies, is the partner of the guy in the article ("Dr." Christian Koch).

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Uncle Rico
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quote:
Originally posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker:
Uncle Rico, you noted they claim this process only takes three minutes?

I know bio-diesel exists and works; the scam sound aspect is the speed. Well, that and the fact this guy has been convicted of fraud before.

Seaboe

It certainly does have all the makings of a scam - and probably is, given this guy's less-than-stellar history of such things. Three minutes seems like a stretch for sure.

The only reason I give it ANY possible credibility is because it also seems sort of far-fetched (but true) that an 18-wheeler can run on what is essentially just vegetable oil (similar to what we cook with?) with the viscosity changed.

To me the fact that they had to use "waste oil" as part of the feedstock suggests to me that perhaps the other ingredients might have been superfluous and it was the "waste oil" (perhaps thinned and stretched with some lemon juice and other stuff) that enabled it to be useful as fuel.

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