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Cactus Wren
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I don't want to trigger a circ debate, only to check on an historical issue. My housemate is arguing that in the United States, a man must be circumcised to join "the military", and that if this isn't the case now it was for much of the 20th century. Can someone, or (very likely) some several, confirm or deny?

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Um... possible TMI-


So here's a little space for said TMI-


My husband (LJ) is; his father (BJ) is not. And my FIL was 25+ years in the Army.

The reason I know this was a startling revelation from my MIL after my son was born. Our insurance (CHAMPUS, in fact) said circumcision was "cosmetic" and wouldn't pay for it in the civilian hospital. After discussing the pros and cons with the pediatrician, we decided not to do it. Two weeks later, my MIL was changing my son's diaper and said, "Oh, LJ is circumsised, they say you're supposed to "be the same" as the father, but BJ isn't circumsised, and it didn't cause LJ any trouble!" (I almost fell over from shock. That was a little tidbit I didn't need or want to know about my FIL).

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surfcitydogdad
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Wren, here is your chance to ask your roomie if she "read that on the Internet," or "pulled it out of her ass," as you previously wrote on another topic.

So far, I am not able to produce military rules, but here is a site which explains some of the history that may have lead to that misconception:
http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=73&Itemid=52

During WWI, men were encouraged to get circumcised in the belief by the military that it would lead to lower VD rates. By WWII, many men entering the military were already circumcised. My stepfather, who served on a remote Pacific Island, said the medics were always trying to get him to let them perform this procedure, for both practice operating and for reasons of perceived hygiene, due to the poor sanitary conditions.

I will leave it to a better researcher to find any military info to refute your roomie's claim, but there is no way that a man has to be circumcised to enlist in the US military. That rumor must have started due to the former military policy of encouraging circumcision.

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unklesamta
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My grandfather entered the Army, and subsequently fought in WWII with, and came home from Germany without.

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AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr
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I know I shouldn't, but morbid curiousity compels me: how would you know such a thing, unklesam?

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Arriah
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I had a boyfriend in high school that told me he'd been sterilized by the Navy as a condition of entering (and of course, couldn't possibly be pregnant [fish] ) I imagine they circumcised him at the same time [Big Grin]

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educatedindian
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I enlisted, and so did my father, grandfather, and several uncles, cousins, and nephews. Someone has been in service in every war since at least WWI. And our family has always believed that it's wrong to circumcise. I've never heard any stories of anyone being pressured by military doctors to get one.
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nurple
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I was in the Army and I am not circumsised. [fish]

Actually, ancedotes and data and everything, but I saw quite a few pee-pees during my stint in the Army; two were not circumsised.

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unklesamta
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quote:
Originally posted by AnglRdr:
I know I shouldn't, but morbid curiousity compels me: how would you know such a thing, unklesam?

Sorry stepped out for awhile...and it is indeed an interesting story. The reason my grandfather was not circumsised at birth was because his family didn't have enough money, however after earning his pay in the military, he saved his money to "buy his own." And that being a point of pride for him, he decided to share that with me one day when i was complaining that my father would only spring for Stride-Rites and not Nikes. Of course given the nature of the complaint, you might guess my age, and I had no idea what he was talking about...so I had to ask my father...boy was that an interesting conversation.

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I've never heard of a circumsicion being a point of pride. I would imagine that a great many men of his generation were uncirced, though...

But, never mind...I'm finding myself entirely more interested in this than I want to be!

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unklesamta
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Well AnglRdr, I must confess this was the only one I have ever heard.

unkle "Pride is an amazing thing, and I have a circumsicion to prove it" sam

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Lainie
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quote:
Originally posted by surfcitydogdad:
During WWI, men were encouraged to get circumcised in the belief by the military that it would lead to lower VD rates. By WWII, many men entering the military were already circumcised. My stepfather, who served on a remote Pacific Island, said the medics were always trying to get him to let them perform this procedure, for both practice operating and for reasons of perceived hygiene, due to the poor sanitary conditions.

Makes you wonder how the medics handled that. "Hey, would you let me circumcise you? I could really use the practice." [lol]

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surfcitydogdad
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Indeed, Lainie; they must have been quite bored! Fortunately for them, they must not have seen many combat injuries on that island if they felt they needed any practice operating!

Since he never even got a tattoo, as many drunken sailor buddies did, he sure wasn't about to let medics do any unneeded surgery!

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mom2five
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My husband is in the Air Force and he has never said anything about circumcision being required. And I don't know why Champus didn't pay for your son's circumcision, they paid for all 4 of my sons'.
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Malruhn
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Although it's been a while since I've spent time in a communal shower... but I've seen lots of un-cut winkies in the service.

And champus DOES pay for circumcisions... as long as they are done as part of the "birthing process". If you wait a couple months... no dice, as it is no longer "necessary" and is considered cosmetic. You'd have to jump through lots of hoops to get doctors to say that it was "medically necessary" to get it covered.

My beloved bride and I discussed this with CHAMPUS folks when we actually thought we were having a boy. Our mistake... no outies... only innies.

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