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chryscntedpeach
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Forgive me if this has been posted before. I did a search and turned up nothing.

I heard some time ago that the former drummer for Iron Butterfly, after leaving the group, started working on plans for time travel. Apparently while working on these plans he mysteriously died in what appeared to be a suicide. Some believe that the CIA was given orders to "do away" with him because he had been very close to figuring it out. I tried doing a google search on this topic to no avail. No helpful information was brought up except some info on Iron Butterfly and an online magazine article that briefly mentions it.

Has anyone else heard this before or know of any information backing up these claims? As I'm sure with many "wild" celebrity rumors this one probably isn't true. I thought it was at least interesting enough to make note of.

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Chris J
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There was a mysterious death of an ex-member of Iron Butterfly. It wasn't Ron Bushy the drummer, but Philip Taylor Kramer, a bassist. Kramer played in a short-lived incarnation of Iron Butterfly in the mid-'70s. Read about what happened to him here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Taylor_Kramer

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The backstory I heard about Taylor was that he became a mathematician and was working on propolsion systems for the military. Has anyone else heard this particular version?

I had never heard there was a 911 call and had always assumed, after his van was found, that it went off-road by accident. AFA him being missing, the rumors I heard were that he had come across some secret government/military knowledge and was 'silenced'.

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Jon Up North
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No he had developed a free energy device that allowed him to get 10,000 miles to the galon from his JATO unit and the Men In Black found out and stole his kidneys.

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Jay Temple
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No, this is the time-travelling rock star:
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Parajay Temple YOMANK! I used to love that show when I was a kid.

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Rogue1stclass
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http://www.skepticfiles.org/evenmore/kramer2.htm

This was written before he was found. Just...wow.

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hectorcaliente
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After reading the notes about this person, I gotta say that he most likely faked his death to save his families income. He has to be living somehwere else other then this country, and possibly has had a change of identity.
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Dara bhur gCara
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quote:
Originally posted by hectorcaliente:
After reading the notes about this person, I gotta say that he most likely faked his death to save his families income. He has to be living somehwere else other then this country, and possibly has had a change of identity.

Most likely? You think that's the most likely outcome? What, because of all the death-faking that goes on, but you never hear of it because it's covered up by, er, the Mafia or something?

Out of interest, what other likely, but not-as-likely outcomes have you investigated and dismissed? You know, from the notes and all? I personally think you're being unduly hasty in ruling out the Freemasons at this early stage. The all-seeing eye and all that.

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hectorcaliente
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quote:
Originally posted by Dara:
quote:
Originally posted by hectorcaliente:
After reading the notes about this person, I gotta say that he most likely faked his death to save his families income. He has to be living somehwere else other then this country, and possibly has had a change of identity.

Most likely? You think that's the most likely outcome? What, because of all the death-faking that goes on, but you never hear of it because it's covered up by, er, the Mafia or something?

Out of interest, what other likely, but not-as-likely outcomes have you investigated and dismissed? You know, from the notes and all? I personally think you're being unduly hasty in ruling out the Freemasons at this early stage. The all-seeing eye and all that.

You need to stop watching the X-files, and beam your Halle pop chasing *ss back to reality. Why dont you do yourself a favor and go back to your reading of the Reverend Jim Jones, and let the rest of us speak our minds like this Country has allowed us to, before you start biting at poeple.
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Dara bhur gCara
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quote:
Originally posted by hectorcaliente:
quote:
Originally posted by Dara:
quote:
Originally posted by hectorcaliente:
After reading the notes about this person, I gotta say that he most likely faked his death to save his families income. He has to be living somehwere else other then this country, and possibly has had a change of identity.

Most likely? You think that's the most likely outcome? What, because of all the death-faking that goes on, but you never hear of it because it's covered up by, er, the Mafia or something?

Out of interest, what other likely, but not-as-likely outcomes have you investigated and dismissed? You know, from the notes and all? I personally think you're being unduly hasty in ruling out the Freemasons at this early stage. The all-seeing eye and all that.

You need to stop watching the X-files, and beam your Halle pop chasing *ss back to reality. Why dont you do yourself a favor and go back to your reading of the Reverend Jim Jones, and let the rest of us speak our minds like this Country has allowed us to, before you start biting at poeple.
I really don't understand. What evidence have I given you to suggest that I do, chase, read or believe any of those things? I was disputing your assertion that the most likely explanation for someone's death is a hard-to-believe conspiracy theory, and I don't see how so doing makes me the tinfoil hat wearer here.

And a bit of civility costs nothing.

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hectorcaliente
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because you are leaning towards MIB propaganda.
that because he dissapeared, immediately you think that the Gov't had something to do with it.
yet there has been so many cases where poeple will fake their deaths when bankruptcy is near. I never said that i solved this mystery. I just simply wrote down what I though happend, based on reading the articles that are provided.
Besides, the fact, I was told that they can't read your thoughts if you wear that tin foil.
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Doc J.
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quote:
Originally posted by hectorcaliente:
because you are leaning towards MIB propaganda.
that because he dissapeared, immediately you think that the Gov't had something to do with it.

Er . . . where exactly did Dara say that ?
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Dara bhur gCara
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quote:
Originally posted by hectorcaliente:
because you are leaning towards MIB propaganda.
that because he dissapeared, immediately you think that the Gov't had something to do with it.



Actually, I think you'll find I specifically named the Freemasons. But that's really by the by, and I don't want to have to explain sarcasm to you.

quote:
yet there has been so many cases where poeple will fake their deaths when bankruptcy is near.


Really? I can think of one, and it was from the 1960s, a British MP called John Stonehouse. . I knew two people who actually committed suicide largely because of financial problems, and bearing in mind the fact that they found his van, and his body, I don't understand why you have decided that the most likely option is that he faked his own death. I think the most likely option is that he brought about his own death.

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I never said that i solved this mystery. I just simply wrote down what I though happend, based on reading the articles that are provided.


But is it really more likely that he is alive and living under an assumed name than dead? Even if it were true, wouldn't it still be unlikely? And did you read the article where they found his van and human remains?

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Besides, the fact, I was told that they can't read your thoughts if you wear that tin foil.

That is true. But I prefer to put tinfoil inside my normal hat. I reckon it does the same job, and at least no-one knows I'm barking.

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Billy Biggles
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Don't fall for it, lads. There is no such person as Hector Caliente. It's the alter ego of Silas Sparkhammer. Silas has taken to rebuckling his knickerbockers below the knee. See, there's a nicotine stain on his index finger, and he's got a dime novel hidden in the corn crib. He's memorizing jokes from Capt. Billy's Whiz Bang. Certain words are creeping into his conversation - words like "swell" and "So's your old man".

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Actually, it's most likely that he's dead, considering they found him, and he was dead. In his van. In a ravine.

I don't know, however, whether or not Stairway to Heaven was still playing on his radio.

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quote:
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...In his van. In a ravine...

Looks like he's not going to have much free time for living in a van down by the river...
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hectorcaliente
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quote:
Originally posted by Doc J.:
quote:
Originally posted by hectorcaliente:
because you are leaning towards MIB propaganda.
that because he dissapeared, immediately you think that the Gov't had something to do with it.

Er . . . where exactly did Dara say that ?
Its called sarcasm.
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Doc J.
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quote:
Originally posted by hectorcaliente:
quote:
Originally posted by Doc J.:
quote:
Originally posted by hectorcaliente:
because you are leaning towards MIB propaganda.
that because he dissapeared, immediately you think that the Gov't had something to do with it.

Er . . . where exactly did Dara say that ?
Its called sarcasm.
[lol]

Yeah, right.

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Dara bhur gCara
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quote:
Originally posted by hectorcaliente:
quote:
Originally posted by Doc J.:
quote:
Originally posted by hectorcaliente:
because you are leaning towards MIB propaganda.
that because he dissapeared, immediately you think that the Gov't had something to do with it.

Er . . . where exactly did Dara say that ?
Its called sarcasm.
Earlier in this thread, I posted this:

quote:
Originally posted by Me
Actually, I think you'll find I specifically named the Freemasons. But that's really by the by, and I don't want to have to explain sarcasm to you.



I was suggesting in this post that most people, including you, would know what sarcasm is, so it would be patronising and unnecessary to have to explain to you what sarcasm is. I realise now that this is not the case. I apologise, and withdraw my earlier statement.

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hectorcaliente
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Its all good! I apologize for my rudeness.
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quote:
Originally posted by Billy Biggles:
Don't fall for it, lads. There is no such person as Hector Caliente. It's the alter ego of Silas Sparkhammer. Silas has taken to rebuckling his knickerbockers below the knee. See, there's a nicotine stain on his index finger, and he's got a dime novel hidden in the corn crib. He's memorizing jokes from Capt. Billy's Whiz Bang. Certain words are creeping into his conversation - words like "swell" and "So's your old man".

I weep for the future of America.

Ho-Leee crap! Billy, do you listen to Banks & Shane much?

I thought they were a strictly Atlanta Phenomenon. Are you from around here?

I havn't heard this quote in years (I have it on 8track!) [lol]

Atlanta "Who is iiiiit?" Jake

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