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Hell's Granny
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Not sure quite where this belongs...
I'm on an e-list for astrologers; yesterday one member posted that she'd been trying to do a birthchart for somebody who claimed he had been born on February 29th 1949. Naturally, most of us pooh-poohed it and told her to ask the guy to check his birth certificate; several of us quoted the Leap Year rule (February 29th only comes in years that are divisible by 4 & not divisible by 400).
However, a couple of people decided to do a search on Google, and came up with several instances of February 29th apparently occurring in non-Leap Years
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...it seems not only does 1949 have a February 29, but also
1948, 1950 AND 1947 are all reported in a google search as being days when newspapers were published, people died, things happened. i.e. all the normal daily stuff.

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The Chicago Sunday Tribune http://web.library.uiuc.edu/ahx/ead/ua/2620095/2620095series6.html and
Tennessee Putnam Herald http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcgee/c/rfc787/rfc78703.html
were both published on 29 February 1949.
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It seems that Switzerland had a leap year in 1949. (referenced at http://www.marxists.org/archive/cliff/works/1950/07/3.htm )
So did Wisconsin at http://www.angelfire.com/fl5/midnightangel44/powmiapages.html
and 29 February 1949 appears in a UN document at http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/6b189672cac9e58a85256d9f006554b8?OpenDocument
Other references "On February 29, 1949, Dassault's straight-winged creation, the M.D.450 Ouragan "Hurricane") took to the air, and promptly earned a contract for 150 more. As with McDonnell, MiG and Saab, Dassault's first jet was to be the forerunner of a dynasty of great aircraft, such as the Mystère
and the Mirage." http://www.history1900s.about.com/library/prm/bldefiningthejet5.htm
Atomic Energy policy - Appendices, February 29, 1949 appears in Harry S Truman's files at http://www.trumanlibrary.org/nsc.htm http://www.goacom.com/saligao_tinto/articles/scroll1.htm holds a reference
to somone's death on 29 February 1949.
NBC put out radio shows on 29 February 1949 [URL=http://www.thrillingdetective.com/diamond.html
]http://www.thrillingdetective.com/diamond.html [/URL]
Major Lucian Nevelson Youngblood died on 29 February 1949 http://www.doolittleraider.com/raiders/youngblood.htm
Theer are other references. People seem to persist in dying, marrying and being born on that date.
It seems that some people believed that there was a 29 February in 1949. I realise that it's extremely irritating of them. But this is certainly not as straightforward a question as it looked.
Almost all of the references I found to 29 February 1949 existing as a date were American.

And I found this guywho also belives he was born on February 29th 1949.

Yes, I know that 1949 and the other years cited could not have been Leap years. But that's a heck of a lot of typos!

(Edited to try to tidy up links)

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1948 was a leap year. As for '47, '49, and '50, you can't say how many apparent typos is too many unless you check a lot of known non-leap years to figure out the average rate of mistaken Feb. 29ths being recorded.
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At least they're *obviously* typos. How many incorrect dates are quoted and never noticed because they're not implausible like these?
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I wonder how many people have dated documents as April, June, September or November 31st?

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quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Granny:
Not sure quite where this belongs...
I'm on an e-list for astrologers; yesterday one member posted that she'd been trying to do a birthchart for somebody who claimed he had been born on February 29th 1949. Naturally, most of us pooh-poohed it and told her to ask the guy to check his birth certificate; several of us quoted the Leap Year rule (February 29th only comes in years that are divisible by 4 & not divisible by 400).

*nitpick*
Years that are cleanly divisible by 400 are leap years- reference the year 2000 as an example. Of course, the last one before that was 1600, so it's a fairly obscure rule.

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Maybe I can scramble this up even more.

I would say such examples are indeed typos- that someone wrote down the wrong date- which is easy to think about since every month except February has at least 30 or 31 days. If someone remembers yesterday was the 28th, then wrote down the 29th- that's understandable.

However, not too many years ago we had a "leap second"; someone added one second to the clock. All this was done to get our calendar right (right with who or what I am not certain). But, if someone decided our calendars were out of synch in 1949 they might have turned that into a leap year also. I doubt it, but it is possible. Anyone know of any time they added an extra leap year or 2?

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The rule goes like this: all years divisible by 4 are leap years, except multiples of 100 that are not divisible by 400.

Regarding the OP, I'd like to point out that "Feb. 29, 1949" could be a typo for "Feb. 29, 1948." That actually seems to me an easier error to make.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cobra4J:
However, not too many years ago we had a "leap second"; someone added one second to the clock. All this was done to get our calendar right (right with who or what I am not certain). But, if someone decided our calendars were out of synch in 1949 they might have turned that into a leap year also. I doubt it, but it is possible. Anyone know of any time they added an extra leap year or 2?

I am sure this didn't occur. The Gregorian calendar is far too accurate to have been already off by a day in 1949.
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What I find hard to believe is that the guy who requested the birthchart is being genuine about this. He can't possibly have lived this long without the question having been raised before, and he must have either an answer or a theory about it.

It sounds as though he's not quite sincere about wanting a birthchart, at the very least.

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*more nitpicking*

All years are divisible by four. It's just that some of the divisions have remainders.

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Lucian Nevelson Youngblood (1918-1949)
Class: Air Force
Born 05/26/1918
Texas, Pampa Major
Died 02/30/1949
Found this on a site called Roll Call of Heros.

Note the date of death. More research may be needed.

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Co-Pilot Lt. Lucian Nevelson Youngblood Pampa, FL Feb 28, 1949

And this from the other web site a google search on this gentleman's name turns up. Note the date as Feb. 28, not the 29th or 30th. Some one might want to go by UTD where the museum on the Dolittle raid is and see what they say.
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quote:
Originally posted by Cobra4J:
However, not too many years ago we had a "leap second"; someone added one second to the clock. All this was done to get our calendar right (right with who or what I am not certain).

Leap Seconds:
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The first leap second was added on June 30, 1972, and they occur at a rate of slightly less than one per year, on average.
No mention of any extra leap days, as far as I could tell.

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According to my Granny, born in 1918, February 2004 was the first February in her lifetime to have 5 Sundays in it...

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. . . but, according to today's Metro, it last occurred in 1976
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Hell's Granny
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quote:
Originally posted by Jaeger:
What I find hard to believe is that the guy who requested the birthchart is being genuine about this. He can't possibly have lived this long without the question having been raised before, and he must have either an answer or a theory about it.

I entirely agree, J. The first day he entered school, a teacher would have queried it. And what about Social Security, Inland Revenue, insurance companies?
Anyway, my friend says he's now telling her that his birth certificate really does say February 29th 1949, but a "dateline deviation" (his words) got corrected in Iceland (where he was born) in 1949, which resulted in a time zone shift, or whatever, which made it necessary to add an extra day to February locally.
Garbage. Total garbage.

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. . but, according to today's Metro, it last occurred in 1976
Bah - should have put that under old wives' tales! I'll be giving my granny a strict telling off. Mind you she was only told it by some guy she met in the street. And of course it never crossed my mind to check it myself as that would have involved what I believe the Beano refers to as Hard Sums.

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Interestingly China didn't adopt the Gregorian calander until 1949. By then they were 13 days behind. It's possible they had A February 41, 1949 if they crammed all those extra days onto February.

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quote:
Originally posted by BeachLife:
Interestingly China didn't adopt the Gregorian calander until 1949. By then they were 13 days behind. It's possible they had A February 41, 1949 if they crammed all those extra days onto February.

No, they would have had to drop 13 days OUT of the calendar. In 1752, when England and the Colonies adopted the Gregorian calendar, Wednesday, September 2, was followed by Thursday, September 14. Eleven days were eliminated, not added.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brad from Georgia:
quote:
Originally posted by BeachLife:
Interestingly China didn't adopt the Gregorian calander until 1949. By then they were 13 days behind. It's possible they had A February 41, 1949 if they crammed all those extra days onto February.

No, they would have had to drop 13 days OUT of the calendar. In 1752, when England and the Colonies adopted the Gregorian calendar, Wednesday, September 2, was followed by Thursday, September 14. Eleven days were eliminated, not added.
Opps, I was thinking I might have that backwards. I guess that's not related then. Thanks, I've learned my one new thing for the day, I can now shut my brain off.

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quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Granny:
Anyway, my friend says he's now telling her that his birth certificate really does say February 29th 1949, but a "dateline deviation" (his words) got corrected in Iceland (where he was born) in 1949, which resulted in a time zone shift, or whatever, which made it necessary to add an extra day to February locally.

Since Iceland is nowhere near the International Date Line -- wrong side of the Earth in fact -- this sounds unlikely.
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