I have always been under the impression that the founding fathers in general did not believe in imposing religion or that we, as a country, were a "christian nation". However, I saw this quote on a billboard while driving through the heartland which made me wonder if its..
A: Fake B: Out of context somehow, but real C: Real
The quote was (and I'm paraphrasing to a degree, but grasping the bulk of it):
"It is impossible to run a government without God and the bible."
Just thought I'd throw this one out there, it has the url for some website under it but I drove by too fast to catch it (something like "hisword.com" but when I put that in it didn't work).
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The complete quote that's (incorrectly, it turns out) attributed to Washington is,
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible."
Paul Boller and John George, who co-wrote They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions, indicate that no one's found any evidence that Washington ever wrote or spoke such a thing. And Boller's written separately on the topic of "Washington and Religion" before, so he would know.
(I see that some sites on the Internet maintain that Washington issued this statement on 17 September 1796, which happens to be the date on which he delivered his famous farewell address. That line in nowhere to be found in his farewell.)
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Oddly enough, I had just put down my copy of His Excellency : George Washington by Joseph J. Ellis when I read the o.p. Here is a short passage from the book:
quote: A lukewarm Episcopalian, he never took Communion, tended to talk about "Providence" and "Destiny" rather than God, and - was this a statement? - preferred to stand rather than kneel when praying.
This seems in rather sharp contrast to the quote above.
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quote:Originally posted by Mickey Blue: [QB] I have always been under the impression that the founding fathers in general did not believe in imposing religion or that we, as a country, were a "christian nation".
They did not want a church of england concept in the united states.
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They were mixed on their opinions. Some of the individual states did have official religions. Some offered freedom of religion to Christians only, some to those who acknowledged a "Creator," some to those who acknowledged a Creator, and an afterlife with rewards and punishments and some freedom of religion for all. But in any case it was considered a judgement of the states. In the decades following, almost all the states followed the lead of the Federal government and eliminated their official religions and denominational preferences.
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quote:Originally posted by Bonnie: Paul Boller and John George, who co-wrote They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions, indicate that no one's found any evidence that Washington ever wrote or spoke such a thing. And Boller's written separately on the topic of "Washington and Religion" before, so he would know.
Yep. As befits a mason, Washington looked on religion as a good thing with being particularly partial towards any one. This is a legit quote from his first innaugural address where he expands on the theme at some length:
quote:it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official Act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes: and may enable every instrument employed in its administration, to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good, I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own; nor those of my fellow-citizens at large, less than either: No People can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. Every step, by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency. And in the important revolution just accomplished in the system of their United Government, the tranquil deliberations, and voluntary consent of so many distinct communities, from which the event has resulted, cannot be compared with the means by which most Governments have been established, without some return of pious gratitude along with an humble anticipation of the future blessings which the past seem to presage. These reflections, arising out of the present crisis, have forced themselves too strongly on my mind to be suppressed. You will join me I trust in thinking, that there are none under the influence of which, the proceedings of a new and free Government can more auspiciously commence.
Jews can point to Washington's famous letter to the Touro synagogue wherein he also nods favorably towards religion without showing preference for one kind over another.
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By the President of the United States of America. a Proclamation.
Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor--and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me "to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness."
Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be--That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the tranquillity, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.
and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions--to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness onto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New-York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.
What a fanatic.
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I believe "It is impossible to run a government without God and the bible." was derived from "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports." (from the 1796 Farewell Speech)
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For what it's worth, David Barton claims that the root of this alleged quote probably lies in something that appeared in James Kirke Paulding's A Life of Washington, published in 1835. Barton mentions that,
quote:In a description of Washington's character, with supporting quotations, Paulding declares Washington to have said:
It is impossible to account for the creation of the universe without the agency of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to govern the universe without the aid of a Supreme Being.
Barton feels that the current attribution ("It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible") may have arisen from a paraphrasing of Paulding's presentation of Washington's (alleged) statement.