Hello! I’m a long-time lurker and a first-time poster. I wasn’t sure if this should go here or politics, so please feel free to move this as appropriate.
I was discussing the presidential election yesterday with my mother, and she informed me that John Kerry had referred to the soldiers who fought in Vietnam as “baby killers.” My father is a Vietnam veteran, and she said that she cannot vote for someone who calls her husband a “baby killer.” She’s a moderate (leaning slightly to the liberal side) and highly skeptical of all politicians, so I don’t expect her to simply repeat campaign rhetoric as fact without having reason to do so. Also, until last night, the last I had heard was that she was undecided, but leaning to Kerry.
The specific wording of this comment, however, sent up red flags for me. I looked at factcheck.org, but came up with nothing. I then googled “Kerry baby killers,” and came up with a lot of highly partisan sites that, because of their inherent bias, did not authenticate or debunk the comment to my satisfaction. (Interestingly, most of the sites did refer to this comment and not abortion, which is what I was expecting, so it must be rather well known.) I searched the snopes main page and the message board, and again came up empty.
I know, as do most people who have paid any attention to the campaign, that Kerry protested the Vietnam War. I had not, however, heard that he called the soldiers “baby killers” until last night. Perhaps I’m idealistic, but if there is any truth in the quote, I can’t imagine that he made a broad statement about all soldiers in the war. Perhaps it was specific to a small group in one incident, or a comment aimed at the U.S. government and not the individuals carrying out orders. Of course, it could also be entirely fabricated.
If anyone could help me out in authenticating this statement, I’d greatly appreciate it.
I have never seen an instance where Kerry has referred to Vietnam veterans as "baby killers."
And welcome to the boards!
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Specifically the video plays the part of the speech where Kerry says
quote:.... they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan........
What was omitted -- and is usually the case when you hear about this -- is the first part of that sentence which is "They told stories, at times.." Who told stories? That was in the paragraph which preceeded those comments.
quote:I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago, in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis, with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit--the emotions in the room, and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.
In that testimony, Kerry was not making accusations against soldiers but repeating stories that were told to him by other soldiers.
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Wow! Such quick replies. You gotta love the internet.
AnglRdr -- Thanks for the welcome to the board. Glad to be here.
Sara at home -- Thanks for the information. I knew a little about his testimony, and a little about Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry. What I was completely ignorant of was that they had turned his testimony into "John Kerry called Vietnam soldiers baby killers." Talk about spin. What you posted is much more in line with my previous understanding of how Kerry spoke about Vietnam.
I hate the idea of someone voting for a candidate because of incorrect information, no matter which candidate that happens to be. Now, I'm armed for debate.
quote:In April 2001, Kerry wrote that, "We returned home to an America that was indifferent, even hostile. There were no parades, only nightmares. Veterans were spat upon, called baby-killers..."
ETA: Complete Testimony of John Kerry before House Committee doesn't have the words "baby", "infant", or "killer" in it. The word "child"/"children" appears twice in the testimony, but Senator Pell says it first, in reference to a specific soldier accused of killing children, and Kerry uses it in reference to children seeing death on TV.
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