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rino(insert scary name)z
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I'm nearly positive the one about the Vestal Virgins is true. I know I heard about this one in a Roman history class.

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quote:
Originally posted by Admiraldinty, destroyer of worlds:
I'm nearly positive the one about the Vestal Virgins is true. I know I heard about this one in a Roman history class.

I thought it was only one of sixteen vestal virgins.... Who were leaving for the coast...?


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I have only heard of these through the grape vine, so I wont pretend that I know them to be true..

In Virginia:

Any position save missionary is illegal

Oral/anal sex is illegal (I guess that may fall under "position")

Its illegal to have sex with your shoes on


Now, I have also heard the whole "brothal law" and other things which are, according to snopes, false. So take these with caution, but many "learned" people have told me these as well (in fact my ethics professor just mentioned the missionary position one this morning when he was talking about "legality vs. ethics").

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quote:
In Florida, having sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal
[lol]

OUCH!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Remarkgullabull:
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In Florida, having sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal
[lol]

OUCH!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Simonstrical:
Also, unless California was the last state to ban sex with corpses, "It's illegal to have sex with a corpse anywhere in the United States" can't be true.

-Simetrical

Actually, most -- if not all -- states have "abuse of a corpse" laws, which could be used to prosecute sex, even if a state did not have a specific anti-necrophilia law.

That's the problem with lists like these. They take a general rule and apply it to a unique situation, making it sound like the law is that specific. For instance, the sex with a porcupine. Florida likely outlaws sex with animals, and thus with porcupines. But the law wouldn't mention specific animals.

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The penalty for masturbation in Indonesia is decapitation
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In Maryland, it is illegal to sell condoms from vending machines with one exception—prophylactics may be dispensed from a vending machine only "in places where alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises."
Yeah, I heard those ones one somewhere before. Don't know if they're true, but definently heard of them.

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The Romans would crush a first-time rapist's gonads between two stones
Owwww.....
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The Romans would crush a first-time rapist's gonads between two stones
Maybe the Roman Catholic Church should re-adopt that policy for some of it's own.

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In the state of Washington there is a law against having sex with a virgin under any circumstances (including the wedding night).
So...uh...how do people in Washington lose their virginity? Drive down to Oregon? Whoever made these up wasn't thinking...

I have to admit, though, the one about prostitutes joining the opera is funny.

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quote:
Originally posted by Em Dash, Ghost of Punctuation:
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In the state of Washington there is a law against having sex with a virgin under any circumstances (including the wedding night).
So...uh...how do people in Washington lose their virginity? Drive down to Oregon? Whoever made these up wasn't thinking...
I think that was the point, that whoever made the law wasn't thinking. I don't reallt believe it of course.
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In Tibet, many years ago, the law required all women prostitute themselves. This was seen as a way to gain sexual experience prior to marriage.
Reminds me of Herodotus's account of prostitution in Babylon:

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Every Babylonian woman must once in her life go and sit in the temple of Aphrodite and there have sex with a stranger.... Once a woman has taken her seat, she is not allowed to return home until a man has thrown a silver coin into her lap and taken her outside the temple to lie with her. As he throws the coin, the man has to say, "In the name of the goddess Mylitta [Aphrodite]." ... The value of the coin does not matter.... The woman has no choice and must go with the first man who throws her money. Once she has surrendered herself, her duty to the goddess has been rendered and she can go home. -- History 1:196


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Sara,
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quote:
Originally posted by Mickey Blue:

Oral/anal sex is illegal (I guess that may fall under "position")

Actually, that would be sodomy, and in many states, at one time (Texas, I think was the case I'm thinking of) where it was illegal. There's a US Supreme Court case about it that says that it's unconstitutional for it to be illegal because that particular case dealt only with 2 homosexual men.

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Four Kitties
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Morrigan, it is legal (thus far) for states to outlaw sodomy. What is not legal, and what was established in Lawrence v. Texas, is for identical behavior to be perfectly legal for straights but illegal for gays.

Four Kitties

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The Incredible Elisa
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In the quiet town of Connorsville, Wisconsin, it's illegal for a man to shoot off a gun when his female partner has an orgasm.


But isn't it supposed to be more enjoyable that way?
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Four Kitties:

That's what I was trying to say, when I mentioned that it was only outlawed because of the homosexual angle.

That's the case I was thinking of, and the one that's in my Am. Con. Law book (which I have a nice sized paper due about...)

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Hee hee, just before I started writting this reply I realized it was Scott's site. He's aware of Snopes. In fact he's deleted some triva from his site due to Snopes debunking (after a certain snopester pointed out the error of his ways [Big Grin] ). I know it is a joke site but some things are only funny if there is truth behind them (and he seems to agree).

Anyway, before I realized who's site it was I was going to mention that there are some weird or confusing laws on the books. I'm running for state House and got an odd questionaire a couple months ago conserning sodomy laws. It seems there are laws against sodomy in my state, however it also seems that so-and-so vs. Texas (I don't recall the case right now but it was a supreme court thingy) banned laws against sodomy. I tried to read over the cases. I really did, but they made my head hurt (which is perhaps why I forgot most of my research... I did write about some of it and I could probably dig it up if anyones really interested). In the end I just ignored the laws and the claims and gave my opinion. I basically said that whatever the NFBSK it was that consenting adults want to do is none of the states damned business (and that I'd support any and all legislation to that effect).

On the OP: I have heard that there have been equality movements that claim female breast aren't "private parts" (I honestly don't know how far any of the movements got).

The most interesting "factoid" IMHO was that it is illegal to have sex on "a parked motorcycle" in London. Hmmm... if you're doing 65 (or 69) mph at the time does that make it all right?

Things like the parachuting on Sunday afternoons in FL if you're single, divorce, whatever sounded idiotic. I've done it, oh my! Although I often tell people I'm going sky diving. Even the terminology there seemed awkward to me.

I've nothing to back it up with, but all the condom facts sounded like BS as did most of the rest of these "facts" (sorry Scott... damn, he may be reading this) .

At least I can be proud of the fact that I attended "Condom U" and didn't have to worry about these anti-condom issues. I'm serious, they showed the cover of my freshman college year book on Letterman because it featured a picture of a condom machine. The next year the cover displayed our school mascot flashing a crowd (once again it made the late show). BTW our mascot was a mountaineer named Yosef... of course the caption was "Expose Yosef". I'm not sure that we even had a year book by my senior year.

Now in defense of the article, IIRC they (the powers that be) did at least attempt to ban vibrators in the state of Alambama. Of course there was an exception for diagnosed sexual disfunction... any society that requires a doctors note to buy a sex toy is a society that frightens me. Of course it was another case of it being difficult to tell what they were trying to ban and since I didn't live there I didn't keep up. What's the differnce between material aids, pornographic smutt, and novelty items?

Although I must admit the first "fact" made me giggle. All I could think about was the old expression "if you start throwing hedgehogs under me I shall throw two porcupines under you" (was that accredited to Ogdan Nash?).

Darn it, I'd proably be a lot more critical of this if Scott wasn't a juggler and therefore a kindred spirit (and/or I had actual refernces to back up my gut feelings).

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On the OP: I have heard that there have been equality movements that claim female breast aren't "private parts" (I honestly don't know how far any of the movements got).

Wow....I took this totally the wrong way for the first .5 seconds after I read it....

I first read it as an equality movement to make female breasts not private, as in make them public property. First and foremost I would like to say that I would be 100 % FOR this movement, if it ever does actually get started. (Here, let me.... [fish] )


Anyways, I'm pretty sure you just mean to define them as not being "naughty bits" as some here would say so that women may go shirtless just as men can. AGAIN, I'm 100% FOR this movement, just so you know. [Wink]


I apologize to all the ladies here, it's a natural fascination with the things on your chests that I was born with, blame thousands of years of genetics. [Razz]

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Well since the other topics got locked except this one, I might as well mention it again here that the "Guam Virgins" part is amazingly bad internet fiction without even a shred of truth.

See: http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=001089;p=1

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I'm only dealing with the idea that these laws "defy explanation":
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They're surprising. They're baffling. And, often, they're downright stupid. These laws about sex and sexuality defy explanation.

"Female breasts," according to the Arizona Supreme Court, don't constitute "private parts" under state law.

Simple. Male breast are not private parts, and so neither are female now. Not bizarre at all
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The penalty for masturbation in Indonesia is decapitation.

WHICH HEAD? (Sorry...couldn't resist)
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In London, it's illegal to have sex on a parked motorcycle.


It's illegal to have sex with a corpse anywhere in the United States.

This defies logic?
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In Minnesota, it is illegal for any man to have sexual intercourse with a live fish.

Same question...why illogical? This is animal cruelty.
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In Detroit, couples are not allowed to make love in an automobile unless the act takes place while the vehicle is parked on the couple's own property.

Why illogical? It sounds like it would fall under public indecency.

Ugh...I give up. This whole thing is so dumb and clearly either archaic or just plain fake.

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The parked motorcycle one is pretty self explanatory, really, as a parked motorcycle is likely to be in public. Having sex in public = no, so again it's twisting the words of the law to make it sound weird. Like if suicide is illegal, it's like saying "In London, it is illegal for a man with a beard to shoot himself in the head on a Wednesday."

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Originally posted by Moron66213:
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[QUOTE] The Romans would crush a first-time rapist's gonads between two stones
Owwww.....
That's how the Nazis castrated gypsies (according to what I was taught, anyway).

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quote:
Originally posted by Four Hissing Kitties:
Morrigan, it is legal (thus far) for states to outlaw sodomy. What is not legal, and what was established in Lawrence v. Texas, is for identical behavior to be perfectly legal for straights but illegal for gays.

Four Kitties

You misread the decision. Lawrence specifically did NOT rely on the equal protection clause of the 14th ammendment, but used the due process clause and overturned Bowers v Hardwick, which dealt with the Georgia law that, although applied to homosexuals in that case, was just a general law against sodomy. This affects all sodomy laws, not just those targeting homosexuals.

So with Bowers overturned, there is no precedent for upholding even general sodomy laws, though they still remain on the books.

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quote:
Originally posted by MapleLeaf:
I'm only dealing with the idea that these laws "defy explanation":

Another one that sounds weirder than it is, is the condom machines only being allowed in places that serve alcohol.

It is a way to limit them to only being in places where children are not allowed. In my state, cigarette vending machines used to only be allowed in bars for the same reason.

(Not that I agree that condoms machines should only be available to adults, but there is a reason for the law).

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The Romans would crush a first-time rapist's gonads between two stones

And it is safe to assume that the first time will also be the last time.

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Originally posted by skeptic:
quote:
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The Romans would crush a first-time rapist's gonads between two stones

And it is safe to assume that the first time will also be the last time.
And if the rapist was female, 'twould be the last time for just about anything! [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by skeptic:
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The Romans would crush a first-time rapist's gonads between two stones

And it is safe to assume that the first time will also be the last time.
Depends on how safe you mean.
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In a Danish study of 1,000 castrated sex offenders, the recidivism rate after treatment was 2.3 percent (Baker, 1984: 381). A 1973 Swiss study by Cornu compared a group of 127 castrated sex offenders with a recidivism rate of 7.44 percent to a control group of non-castrated sex offenders who had a 52 percent recidivism rate (Baker, 1984: 383).
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Up until 1884, a woman could be sent to prison for denying a husband sex.

This one reminded me of another one. I know that 20 years ago, at least here in Georgia, it was not against the law for a husband to rape his wife. In fact, it wasn't considered rape at all. Sadly, my stepmother was able to tell me this from first hand experience. The police told her she couldn't press charges against her husband for rape because a husband could not rape his wife. The law was changed a few years after she divorced him.
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In the quiet town of Connorsville, Wisconsin, it's illegal for a man to shoot off a gun when his female partner has an orgasm.


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But isn't it supposed to be more enjoyable that way?

Depends on how big his gun is.

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As I read this whole list--especially the bit about members of Nevada legislature not conducting official business in a penis costume--I wondered what events prompted most of these laws.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mickey Blue:
I have only heard of these through the grape vine, so I wont pretend that I know them to be true..

In Virginia:

Any position save missionary is illegal

Oral/anal sex is illegal (I guess that may fall under "position")

Its illegal to have sex with your shoes on


Now, I have also heard the whole "brothal law" and other things which are, according to snopes, false. So take these with caution, but many "learned" people have told me these as well (in fact my ethics professor just mentioned the missionary position one this morning when he was talking about "legality vs. ethics").

As a fellow Virginian, I know these laws at least are true:

Sodomy is illegal.

Sexual relations between two unmarried persons is illegal.

Cohabitation (living together) of two unmarried people is illegal.

Just think if they enfored those... at least half the state would be under arrest!

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Originally posted by ica171:
As I read this whole list--especially the bit about members of Nevada legislature not conducting official business in a penis costume--I wondered what events prompted most of these laws.

More likely the specific wording describes the clothing appropriate for their official dress code, and whomever made up the "strange law" just chose some outfit that seemed totally outrageous. Because the outrageous costume does not fit within the dress code, it de facto is illegal [Wink]

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My brother until recently worked at a video store. Unlike many of the "big boys" like Blockbuster, his carried porn. I remember a few times telling me that in some places porn is still illegal. He pointed out how some the companies will not ship their products to certain parts of the country, like North Carolina for example.

He even told me that gay porn is illegal in parts of Ohio and Utah.

In Virginia, I have heard over the years that it is not only to take a photo of a man with an errect penis ( the pic has to be taken within Virginia ) but that no websites that show porn in anyway can be based in Virginia.

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quote:
Originally posted by medtchva:
As a fellow Virginian, I know these laws at least are true:

Sodomy is illegal.

Sexual relations between two unmarried persons is illegal.

Cohabitation (living together) of two unmarried people is illegal.

Just think if they enfored those... at least half the state would be under arrest!

Guess Virginia isn't for lovers anymore.

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